Forcing a wife to have sex is not rape as her body already belongs to her husband.
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As the picture says.
Marital rape is a crime in the US and most other Western countries, although some states consider marital rape to be a different crime than rape by a stranger, and there is always the practical problem of proving that sex between spouses is rape. The Bible's view on the subject is completely irrelevant and ignored by the law. A husband can always be prosecuted for assault, if not rape.
Can we sent Nick a 1 way ticket to Afghanistan, as they tried to impose a law similar to what Nick's thinking about...
(Note: the attempt to pass said law failed, but a new law which allows a husband to legally starve a woman to death for not having sex, is currently under review in Afghanistan)
And yet, you claim we have no morality, or that our morals are relative.
But wait! If raping a woman that you are not married to is wrong, but raping (sexual acts without consent is rape, by definition) a woman you are married to is not wrong, who then is showing moral relativity?
Short version, STFU,DIAF.
Two close friends of mine were raped, one at a young age. You have no fucking idea of the terrible damage (physical being the least) that being invaded this way does to a person.
So, DIAF Nthed. While being ass-raped. Remotely and repeatedly. With a baseball bat studded with nails.
(Outrage elicits weirdly sadistic images in my mind...)
To Zeus Almighty at #1009045: Wow. More than a little disappointed to see one of my own advocating or excusing, even jokingly, murder of people of a different ideological bent.
If the tables were turned and a fundie at Free Republic or somewhere made a similar comment about, say, gays, even if they tried to say, "Oh, I'm just joking," we'd rightly be tearing that person a new one right here.
Aren't we supposed to be better than that?
Forcing a wife to have sex is not rape
Bullshit. I would be inclined to join other FSTDT'ers in asking you nicely to go and die in a fire, but alas I cannot for two reasons, One, dying in a fire if to quick for people like yourself, your deserve to suffer. Secondly, for you to die in a fire would be an insult to fires everywhere.
as her body already belongs to her husband.
No, she most certainly does not. Your talking about another human being, she is your equal, not livestock to do with as you please and discard when you are done with it. You don't buy women in an auction, nor do you have any claim over her. And last but certainly not least, You DO NOT get to redefine rape so that it suits you or absolves you of any wrong doing . If that where the case then civilized society would fall into chaos with you people abusing your religion by "redefining" your crimes to either justify or excuse your actions no matter how abhorent.
You are scum and deserve nothing more than to die slowly and in such unbelievible agony as to make your every breath a plea for a death that never comes.
Rape apologists are automatically wrong, always. Rape apologists are the most vile beings on the planet.
Edit @clockworkgirl21:
Alright, maybe not THE worst, but they're up there. For some reason, they anger me even more than Nazis and their ilk, which is weird because I'm Jewish and I don't know any rape victims personally. I'm sort of venting on them (the rape apologists) because I come here to see people parroting Hovind and other stupid but inoffensive stuff, and these people make it way less enjoyable. (I specifically avoid RSTDT for just that reason.)
Rape apologists are the most vile beings on the planet.
They're pretty bad, but I can think of people who are worse.
Yeah, that's right. Now that you bought her from her father with a dowry of 10 goats and 2 cows, she is yours to use as property. Now...sarcasm aside, I really, really wonder what kind of world you live in nick.
Computer says "No."
Per Dictionary.com:
noun
1. the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.
3. statutory rape.
4. an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.
5. Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.
verb (used with object)
6. to force to have sexual intercourse.
7. to plunder (a place); despoil.
8. to seize, take, or carry off by force.
verb (used without object)
9. to commit rape.
Origin:
12501300; (v.) ME rapen < AF raper < L rapere to seize, carry off by force, plunder; (n.) ME < AF ra(a)p(e), deriv. of raper
Not a single mention of your bullshit exception ANYHWERE.
Am I the only one who thinks the chosen best answer is even more insane?
She says it is rape, if you have sex with your girlfriend, and she doesn't really want to, but does nothing to let you know that.
How the fuck would you ever have sex, if you had to read people's minds first, to know if that "yes, go ahead" really ment "no, fuck off you perv!"?
- And not only that, but she also says it is rape if you agree to have sex while sleeping, and then one part gets upset when the other actually does it.
So now CONSENT isn't even good enough. It's still rape even if you get a straight yes, according to this crazy woman.
Seriously, saying that a wife's body belongs to a husband is forgettable compared to the insanity of that post - and she only has positive ratings.
her body already belongs to her husband.
++++ Ownership. Just another version of slavery, then. Sex slaves! Pathetic that a religion could justify this. Wonder what the Jesus of the Bible would have said. Paul wouldn't have approved, for sure.
Yes it is. At in the UK it is. Sadly, only since 1991.
It's a shame really, according to Wikipedia (the bastion of information that it is), 33 of 50 US states consider spousal rape as a lesser crime.
In that case, kneeing your husband in the crotch doesn't count as spousal abuse. After all, the wife belongs to her husband--she's part of him. You can't be blamed for hitting yourself!
I do so love to use fundies' own logic against them. It's so painfully easy.
I hope every woman you date will get informed about this thing you wrote and you will therefore stay single for all of your life ;)
Unless of course you mean it is double sided, as Sisyphus wrote, and it is also O.K. for a woman to force her husband to have some kind of sexual interaction (like with a dildo), because his body belongs to her ;)
You know, when you get raped by a bull queer in prison, you totally had it coming by wearing those jeans; you totally asked for it. And it technically won't be rape since you will be his bitch (hence, his property).
Reason number 4,633 why no one should attempt to formulate morality by using a rotten book of mythology and social engineering from the Iron Age.
Somewhere in this world, there is a mattress and a can of lighter fluid with your name on it Nick. Don't say we didn't warn you.
I find this very sad because people like Nick here will never have a decent relationship. Sex between spouses (or significant others) is a very special, emotional, bonding time and using force is not a tender, loving act. Yes, sometimes she's not in the mood, so you either have to get her in the mood or wait until she's ready. But I'd much rather enjoy sex with my wife when she wants to do it than force her.
Forcing a husband to have sex is not rape, as his body already belongs to his wife.
Just as valid, just as bullshite
Forcing a husband to have sex is not rape, as his body already belongs to his wife.
Just as valid, just as bullshite
Did you give her father 30 shekels of silver? No? Then you don't own her.
Of course, the same biblical law states that we get to stone you to death for eating shellfish, so if you'll just stand up against that wall there...
All of the situations the initial question posed were completely absurd.
Ugh to the whole thing.
BTW, not seeing the Fundie. Quite a few people think the woman's body becomes the man's personal fuck machine after marriage. Even those who aren't ueber religious.
You see nothing wrong with force, huh? Nothing wrong with stuffing your shriveled little dick into someone against their will just because you're too small of a man, let alone a human being, to understand the basic concepts of human rights?
FOADIAF. Or at least get off my planet.
It's what it says in the Bible!
(Also, if you rape somebody who you are not married to, it is then a sin to not marry them. Maybe that's how Nick got his wife in the first place?)
But if gays get married, how do we decide who gets to rape who? D:
And thus, we discover the reason they don't want gays to get married.
"Forcing a wife to have sex"
Yeah, that's rape that is.
By the way, some of these people believe their children belong to them in the same way.
hey, guss what?? i can predict the future. And i see that you will die alone and painfully. maybe if this where germany, you were a jew, and it was during WW2...
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please end up like this
You know, someone needs to call the cops.
nick, here, was exposing himself to women!
(Note, while rape is a crime is a crime is a crime, the simple fact is that, the difficulty and humiliation in proving it aside, rapists have 'cred' in prison. Charge 'em with indecent exposure! In some states they stay in prison LONGER, and it's virtually guaranteed they'll be raped by other prisoners, satisfying the Law of Talion nicely!)
(I forgot to add: This makes trial markedly easier on the lady in question. The victim's personal habits are not an issue and defense is hit with badgering the witness if they try. Besides, as Spider Robinson (who published this notion in one of his books) noted, what's the evil schmuck gonna do? Not like he'll jump up in outrage and say "Bullshit, I raped that bitch!")
@1009140: I may be wrong, but I don't think Zeus Almighty was actually advocating the killing of fundies. I suspect he was merely demonstrating, by targeted analogy, the illogic of nick's statement.
"Forcing a wife to have sex is not rape as her body already belongs to her husband."
Yeah, have fun explaining that in court...
Forcing you to have sex with Bubba is not rape since your body belongs to the state, seriously. Please, having sex against your will IS RAPE, whether it's your husband, cousin, Fred Astair..........
Following your logic, killing and stealing your wife isn't a sin either?. Sin is sin, in marriage, out of marriage in the middle...........
Unless you're talking about rape PLAY, and I highly doubt that you are because you fundies consider all BDSM to be sexual immorality, then you need you need to kill yourself. Do humanity a favor by removing your defective genes from the gene pool.
And I guess (hope) that in this fantasy world her husband's body belongs to her? (can't remember that being anywhere in my bible, are you a christian?)
If id does, it might be wise to hide the sissors ya sicko.
I would have thought the bit you're missing from whatever philosophy this is from is respect for your possesions (which, incidentally, is why you never have anything nice). With that, sure, possessing your wife's body could lead to a bit of fun. Without that, well, you're going to hell ya freak.
All unconsenting sex is rape and therefore wrong. And nobody's body can EVER belong to anyone else. Marriage does not permit claims of such ownership.
Also... to all those who say die in a fire and other horrible wishes, you are ALL JUST AS BAD. If we want to get anywhere near the 21st century we all have to stop wishing harm on others. Surely it's more important to protect those who are vulnerable and persecuted.
Bashing a wife is not assault because her face already belongs to her husband.
Fuck almighty, these people are beyond a joke.
Forcing a husband to go make-up and fashion shopping for four ours is not abuse, as his body already belongs to his wife.
Well, if you're allowed to be stupid and wrong, then I ought to be allowed too!!!
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