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logical proof against evolution
no evolution manual came with it
i mean how did we know about the meaning of words
the verbs and the names.
are they also have an evolution theory?

moonsun, City-Data 100 Comments [8/29/2009 6:38:03 AM]
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On behalf of linguistics, I would just like to inform you that you have failed. Something tells me that you aren't pondering the complexities of when/how exactly in prehistory our ability to communicate first became something you'd classify as language. Language is a social construct. Asking how we "know the meanings of words" is like asking how we learn anything (unless you believe Chomsky, which you shouldn't). As for diachronic changes in language... it's actually somewhat analogous to the biology of evolution.


8/29/2009 2:04:46 PM


What the hell are you talking about? Are you saying evolution doesn't exist because we know what words are called? Are you on crack?

8/29/2009 2:17:07 PM

Yama the Space Fish

This is the argument against evolution for people who are too dumb to bring up the nucleus of the atom but blissfully unaware of the strong nuclear force.

8/29/2009 2:18:31 PM


has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

8/29/2009 3:03:45 PM


logical proof against evolution

Why is it the people who seem to think that they have "logical" proof against evolution are the same people who don't know and couldn't give a definition of the word "logical", and in fact haven't even been on speaking terms with logic for quite some time?

no evolution manual came with it

Did you come with an owners manual? No, you didn't, so why do think that there would be one for evolution? Evolution isn't an "it", Evolution is a description of a biological process, not something you buy at Home Depot.

i mean how did we know about the meaning of words
the verbs and the names.

We define the meaning of words. We do not divine the meaning of words. Words are not not some magical pre-existing things that we discovered. We know the meanings because we defined the meanings, not because we "divined" them. We took the term evolution and applied it to a theory that was consistent with the meaning that had been defined for the word.

are they also have an evolution theory?

How can anyone expect you to understand linguistics when you have such a poor grasp of of grammer? There is an evolution process of laguages, but it is in no way related to evolutionary biology, and no amount of you claiming otherwise will ever make it so. The word evolution can be applied to many concepts, anything that exhibit change over a period of time can be said to have evolved, but that doesn't make it the same thing as evolutionary theory which is applied exclusively to biological processes. If you cannot understand that then you don't even have the slightest idea what you are talking about in the first place.

8/29/2009 3:07:11 PM


How do animals that live in groups know the meaning of alarm calls? How do animals understand the alarm calls of other species of animals?

The fact that language is -now- complex is not a logical proof against evolution. The facility for language has its roots in the sorts of vocalizations I mentioned.

Also, we didn't write at first, so how did we know what the symbols meant? (Though I'm sure I have to point out the absurdity of the question to you.)

8/29/2009 3:42:30 PM


Wow. Just wow. How did someone like you manage to get on a computer?

8/29/2009 4:33:14 PM


Is this supposed to be a poem? If it is, it's not a very good one.

Are you trying to say that just because there was never a book on evolution as old or older than the Bible, that evolution can't be true?

That's not a good argument at all.

8/29/2009 4:41:13 PM


What the hell is he babbling about?

8/29/2009 5:43:41 PM

Philbert McAdamia

Pancho, he come across the rio
but the rio was too frio
so him not came with Manuel

theory are Pancho he lost
Manuel consoling Conchita ¿mucho?

8/29/2009 6:03:04 PM


8/29/2009 6:20:28 PM

Evil Pirate Captain Mel

The retard is strong with this one.

8/29/2009 6:30:20 PM

Tolpuddle Martyr

Stick to the babble verses and leave logic out of it, or you're liable to dissapear in a puff of it.

8/29/2009 8:00:42 PM



8/29/2009 8:12:12 PM


this is four words
then six words after that line
then forget about humanity inventing language with ten more words
then type five more words
seven words then garble grammar rape like?

There you have it, the newest argument against evolution since TAG. It's taken them decades to develop, but by god they've done it.

8/29/2009 8:32:10 PM


Ah... further reading shows he's a Muslim. I quote, "
Originally Posted by JetJockey View Post
We made them up as needed.
Pretty simple if you ask me....

but you do not know who they are

who is the first one or the first group that called the apple as apple
who is the first one who called the mountain as mountain etc..
you have no proof and no history records

but we have proof

we know the first one who named the things and we got them from him
generation after generation until know

And He taught Adam all the names, then showed them to the angels, saying: Inform Me of the names of these, if ye are truthful. 2:31

islam is faith and the logic"

That's his second post to the thread. Bah, humbug I say to bronze age texts.

8/29/2009 8:35:13 PM


Yes, its called etymology (not to be confused with entomology).

8/30/2009 12:06:46 AM

Is this some kind of crappy poem?

8/30/2009 4:09:55 AM

Mister Spak

Logical proof against christianism.
No experiments to verify it exist.
I mean how do we know sold exist
what are the units of measur of sin
what are the operating principlas of a demon-o-meter


8/30/2009 6:12:21 AM


I submitted this one, so I should probably clarify. moonsun is Muslim, and English isn't his first language.

He's still really effin' stupid, though.

8/30/2009 6:34:07 AM

Professor M

And while we're at it...

i mean how did we know about the meaning of words

Let's consider a passage from Finnegans Wake:

"[I]f you police, after you, policepolice, pardoning mein, ich beam so fresch, bey? drop this jiggerypokery and talk straight turkey meet to mate, for while the ears, be we mikealls or nicholists, may sometimes be inclined to believe others the eyes, whether prowned or nolensed, find it devilish hard now and again even to believe itself."

In addition to making more sense than moonsun, this passage suggests a capacity (learned and/or instinctual) to use context rather than "the meaning of words" to construct a field of potential readings of a given utterance. "How did we know about the meaning of words"? We played around with sounds until we found something we liked!

8/30/2009 4:24:56 PM

Reverend Jeremiah

are they also have an idiot moonsun opinion?

8/30/2009 4:56:10 PM

Max W.

This guy is probably developmentally disabled, so I'm not gonna make fun of this.

8/30/2009 5:25:17 PM


Well yes, I guess language could be said to 'evolve' in a way somewhat similer to life. You could say that words that get used a lot survive and words that don't fall out of common usage and 'die'. Words also 'spawn' derivitave words, sometimes in other languages, this could be seen as a form of heredity. Obviously letters would form something akin to genes here, where different combinations create different words. So yea, in a number of ways, language evolves in a similer manner to life.

As moonsun's actual statement, now thats just one big pile of stupid.

8/30/2009 7:43:56 PM


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