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The Adapa Epic, Hindu Vedas, Epic of Gilgamesh, Mesopotamian and Babylonian steles, and Egyptian hyroglyphs are mythologized literature. Genesis is not. There is a? great difference. For example, Gilgamesh traveled to the underworld inside the earth in a boat seeking the secret of imortality. This is clearly mythology, as we know it is unsound in the real world. The Bible is not a a collection of this type of unsound events. The Bible is the true history, the others are distortions.

NephilimFree, YouTube 49 Comments [8/28/2009 2:52:36 PM]
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Horsefeathers

"Genesis is not."

Odd then that it seems to fit the same patterns.

"There is a? great difference. For example, Gilgamesh traveled to the underworld inside the earth in a boat seeking the secret of imortality. This is clearly mythology, as we know it is unsound in the real world."

And your boy Jebus floated off into the clouds. This is clearly mythology as we know it is unsound in the real world. Of course you'd deny that.

"The Bible is not a a collection of this type of unsound events."

You must be talking about the Jefferson Bible because the standard one sure as hell doesn't fit this description.

"The Bible is the true history, the others are distortions."

Yeah, right.

8/28/2009 3:03:25 PM

Telamon

"This is clearly mythology, as we know it is unsound in the real world. The Bible is not a collection of this type of unsound events."

Right...
So a garden with a talking snake, and magical fruits of immortality and the knowledge of good and evil are clearly not unsound?
How about a clay-man coming to life, along with his rib-woman wife? Or organisms suddenly springing fully-formed from the waters and the ground?

These things are clearly unsound in the real world, so Genesis is mythology. Don't screw it up by trying to make it history!

8/28/2009 3:03:28 PM



The Adapa Epic, Hindu Vedas, Epic of Gilgamesh, Mesopotamian and Babylonian steles, and Egyptian hyroglyphs are mythologized literature. Genesis is not.

O rly? Can you provide proof of this without using a circular arguement?

8/28/2009 3:13:17 PM

Blackvoice

Since when? Are we talking about the same thing here?

8/28/2009 3:20:33 PM

szena

Clearly you're referring to a different book of Genesis than the one I'm familiar with.

8/28/2009 3:31:06 PM

EvoPagan

I think perhaps that you should skip to the second half of your bible (I know you are so fond of the OT) and see what happens when your hero dies. I believe he takes a little mystical voyage of his own for three days. Ya might want to check that out.

8/28/2009 3:33:38 PM



And yet they are okay with a talking snake. Oh wait that was the Old Testament, thus it doesn't count.

So what about your guy being dead and rising after three days?

8/28/2009 3:35:49 PM

Drax

But talking snakes are perfectly compatible with the real world?

8/28/2009 3:36:31 PM

D Laurier.

Cognitive dissonance anyone?

8/28/2009 3:42:50 PM

Reverend Jeremiah

They only sound "unsound" because they are not popular right now. If Gilgamesh was popular you would say that whole Jesus Christ story doesnt sound right.

8/28/2009 3:53:54 PM

WMDKitty

Correction: Genesis is a crappy ripoff of those mythologies.

8/28/2009 3:56:53 PM

Turtle

But talking snakes are realistic?

8/28/2009 4:48:09 PM

wackadoodle

How is this fundie? this is what every religious person believes. "My ludicrous magical ancient epic is the truth, all other ludicrous magical ancient epics are made up"

Usually followed by something about how they believe their ludicrous magical ancient epic because it makes sense and has proof and not because literally every person they knew until they were 10-20 years old told them it was the truth.

8/28/2009 4:50:57 PM

Osiris

Genesis has a snake that talks. That is an impossibility because snakes don't even hear sound in the first place.

8/28/2009 4:53:31 PM

evilred

The stupid is strong with this one.....

8/28/2009 4:57:40 PM

Zeus Almighty

My invisible friend can beat up your invisible friend.

8/28/2009 5:00:02 PM

Ozzie

I own the Epic of Gilgamesh. It's a beautiful written story. A myth, I agree. But unlike Genesis, we can learn from it. There are lessons regarding environmental issues, taking what you want when you want it, etc.

At the end of his epic journey Gilgamesh is a better and wiser man.

The Bible is a disaster from start to finish.


8/28/2009 5:07:05 PM

Musicalbookworm

Careful, that much cognitive dissonance can cause a rift in the fabric of space-time.

8/28/2009 5:46:18 PM

Thinking Allowed

The bible is just like every other collection of myths. As for egyptian hieroglyphs, it is a form of writing, not mythologized literature.

Of course, with this statement coming from nephilimFree, it doesn't surprise me he has no freakin' clue what he's talking about.

8/28/2009 5:47:34 PM

DevilsChaplain

This guy's joking right?.........................................right?.....

8/28/2009 5:53:02 PM

Eden

God creating day and night before he created the sun isn´t unsound in the real world?
God making a playmate for Adam out of one of his ribs isn´t unsound in the real world?
A rain that floods the whole world up to its highest mountains isn´t unsound in the real world?

As we talk about the flood...
maybe you should read about Utnapishtim in the Giglamesh Epos, who very probably inspired the writers of the bible to the person of Noach in the flood story ;)
(especially as the Gilgamesh Epos is older than the bible ;) )

Uh and btw. as we talk about the underworld...
maybe you should know that early christianity, way before they invented the concept of heaven and hell, they believed that sinners were sent to Hades instead of hell (which, as we know,has a nice river named Styx, where you could without problems travel with a boat ;) )
Everywhere where in translations based on theKJV you nowadays read "Hell", the Septuagint had "Hades" and even the textus Receptus still had "Hades" in most of the cases (and "death" instaed of Hades in all other cases.. however not a single mention of hell till this time ;))
so as you talk about "distortions"...
it was only the King James bible which started with calling Hades "Hell"...
and if you are one of the evangelical christians who put their faith into the KJV, it seems to be clear, that you were fooled by a distorted bible ;)

8/28/2009 5:54:16 PM

DevilsChaplain

@wackadoodle

That this person looks at all other myths and takes a literal interpretation of his myth over all others (saying the Gilgamesh flood made no sense but Noah's flood isn't just plausible, but fact) makes this fundie. A non-fundamentalist doesn't act like an ass about his/her beliefs and generally doesn't take a literal interpretation of their Holy Book.

8/28/2009 5:56:04 PM

LadyJafaria

Hieroglyphs are a system of writing, not a mythology. Egyptian mythology was written IN hieroglyphs, but so was, well, anything else a literate Egyptian wrote.

Somewhere an Egyptologist is crying.

8/28/2009 6:16:12 PM

atrasicarius

At first I was like, what the fuck is this supposed to be? But then I was like, oh, it's NephilimFree, that makes sense now.

8/28/2009 7:07:28 PM

Zoo

Oddly enough, scholars have found a lot of parallels between your book of myths and the myths of other people in the area. The new testament even has a "how we came to eat what we eat" myth. Lots of cultures have something similar.

@Osiris: Your point still stands, but snakes do process vibrations they pick up through their jawbones (edit: from resting the jaw on the ground) as auditory information.

8/28/2009 8:07:47 PM
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