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The Sickening Facts About Obamacare

#1) A National Health identification card will be issued to all Americans.

#2) You can keep your current doctor IF the government medical boards allow it.

#3) You can keep your current insurance IF your insurance company does not go out of business because they can't compete with the new government-backed alternative.

#4) Virtually everywhere you find nationalized health care around the world, you find very substantial health care rationing. It will be the same under Obamacare.

#5) Just like in the U.K. and Canada, government bureaucrats will decide who gets care and who doesn't, and therefore they will often decide who lives and who dies.

#6) If the government does allow you to get care, in order to control costs government bureaucrats (and not your doctor) will decide what treatment you will get for your condition. If they decide the treatment you need is not "cost-efficient" then you are sore out of luck.

#7) The bureaucracy required to run Obamacare will be a nightmare of unprecednted magnitude and it will quickly send federal deficits into the stratosphere.

#8) Obamacare will FORCE Americans to get health insurance. If you do not get health insurance you will be subjected to extremely heavy fines.

#9) It has been confirmed that elective abortion will be covered for all Americans. Because this is what health care is all about now - eugenics.

Revelation1412, RR 129 Comments [8/22/2009 2:30:13 PM]
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EvoPagan

I think these people should move out onto the prairie and set up a compound. They could call it FundieTown, and they could trade chickens and jam to kindly ol' Doc Baker in return for him sewing back on their fingers and toes after they have an accident with the thresher. And they could call him in the middle of the night when their wimmin are dying in childbirth because they had no prenatal care, and you know he'll come right out, even in the rain, all he wants in return is chickens and jam. I think that's about as much healthcare as these guys can handle.

8/24/2009 12:09:49 PM

Dr. Novakaine

#1) A National Health identification card will be issued to all Americans.

Oh my god! An identification card! How horrible! It's not like we don't all carry six different kinds of ID cards already!


#2) You can keep your current doctor IF the government medical boards allow it.

Last I checked, it was "if you want to keep your current doctor, you can keep your current doctor." Perhaps you got the Swahili mistranslation?


#3) You can keep your current insurance IF your insurance company does not go out of business because they can't compete with the new government-backed alternative.

Because the insurance companies are all going to go bankrupt, just like they have in all those other countries that have government health care plans and the companies are still doing fine. If the company goes bankrupt because it can't compete, then it wasn't a good company to begin with.


#4) Virtually everywhere you find nationalized health care around the world, you find very substantial health care rationing. It will be the same under Obamacare.

We're being rationed right now. I sincerely doubt it will be as bad under the new plan as it is now.


#5) Just like in the U.K. and Canada, government bureaucrats will decide who gets care and who doesn't, and therefore they will often decide who lives and who dies.

Insurance companies decide the exact same thing right now. But they have to operate at a profit, meaning they are far more liable to cut people off. How is this an improvement in any way?


#6) If the government does allow you to get care, in order to control costs government bureaucrats (and not your doctor) will decide what treatment you will get for your condition. If they decide the treatment you need is not "cost-efficient" then you are sore out of luck.

Once again, how is this any different from what's going on now, aside from greedy insurance agents taking the place of government bureaucrats? All these things you're talking about are occurring RIGHT THIS INSTANT UNDER THIS CURRENT SYSTEM. And I honestly doubt that it will persist at levels as bad as the current ones if we get some health care reform right now. The government has a vested interest in keeping its population healthy; insurance companies only have an interest in their bank statements.


#7) The bureaucracy required to run Obamacare will be a nightmare of unprecednted magnitude and it will quickly send federal deficits into the stratosphere.

If we account for the deficits it won't be that bad (of course, accounting will not be easy, but who ever said things were going to be easy all the time?). As for the bureaucracy, well, I don't know about unprecedented magnitude but I expect it will be about as bad as most of our current bureaucracies.


#8) Obamacare will FORCE Americans to get health insurance. If you do not get health insurance you will be subjected to extremely heavy fines.

Far be it from me to ask the obvious question, but why WOULDN'T you want health care? The only other option is paying out the ass for medical treatments.


#9) It has been confirmed that elective abortion will be covered for all Americans. Because this is what health care is all about now - eugenics.

(Sigh) Repeat after me, kids: "Elective" goes against the nature of eugenics. Elective abortions cannot possibly associate with eugenics. Plus, no one is after eugenics, because eugenics is a stupid idea that doesn't make any sense if you know more than the sixth-grade intro to genetics.

8/24/2009 12:09:54 PM

nutcase

I live in Canada. That list is a collection of lies, half-truths, and...um...lies.

8/24/2009 6:25:26 PM

Catherine

Yet another idiot who has no clue what is even in the health plan. I've yet to see a SINGLE person argue against it based on something that is actually IN it. Every single arguement I've ever heard against it is based on misinformation. Every single one.

8/24/2009 8:20:53 PM

Thejebusfire

1. Why not? It would not be much different than a social security card.

2. No, you can still choose your doctor.

3. And if that happens you'll have a backup with government care.

4. Yeah, but this happens just about everywhere.

5. How would that be any different than the one we have now? The private company decides who can and cant get certian coverage and people have died because of it.

6. No, the doctor decides your treatment. Always has, always will. That's pretty much one of the points of being a doctor. The last sentance sounds pretty much like our current insurance companies.

7. Source please.

8. Why wouldn't you get health care?

9. Yeah, but "elective" abortions are personal choices. I'm not big on abortion myself, but if a woman choses abortion, that his her own personal choice. It's none of your business.

8/24/2009 10:44:55 PM



What a HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE fate it is for someone without healthcare right now be forced to get it free of charge! Oh, the humanity!, no pun intended.

8/25/2009 8:17:56 PM

anon

Renamed, 'The Sickening FRAUDS about Obamacare'.

Problem solved.

8/25/2009 10:30:42 PM

SomewhereinEurope

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. I’ve lived in several countries in Europe and I never had to deal with rationing of health care.
What you currently have in the US is insurance cos dropping you from their plan or denying treatment; result is humongous personal debt and/or death.
#8) Obamacare will FORCE Americans to get health insurance. If you do not get health insurance you will be subjected to extremely heavy fines.
Ah, don’t help thy neighbour? Oh, you jerry pick bible verses? Not surprised.
Have you considered that each year, well over 14,000 Americans die because of lack of health insurance coverage? That is more than 3 times the 9/11 casualties. And no one is upset about this?
#9) It has been confirmed that elective abortion will be covered for all Americans. Because this is what health care is all about now - eugenics.
Don’t confuse elective with mandatory – you should read up on eugenics before you make such statements. Maybe eugenics should be done to ultra GOP members to stop reproducing people like you.
A friend (in the USA) and I (somewhere in Europe other than UK, Germany) did a test; we both asked several insurance cos for insurance with the exact same pre-existing conditions. US insurance cos had offers between USD 1’000 (hospital stays not covered) and USD 4,000 PER MONTH (!!!) with excluded conditions such as cancer of all types, diabetes, knee replacement and asthma (one of the pre-existing conditions). I had offers between USD 170 and USD 700 per month with no excluded conditions whatsoever and no restriction on hospital stays.
Revelation 1412 says something like “Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus”. I don’t see you keeping the commandments, because then you’d be screaming for health insurance for everyone since it is “help thy neighbor”, “do not kill” ,et al. But then, it’s nothing new about selective reading of an invented text.

8/26/2009 1:32:57 AM

Swede

Just like in the U.K. and Canada, government bureaucrats will decide who gets care and who doesn't, and therefore they will often decide who lives and who dies.

I'd rather have people deciding, than just the amount of money a person has available. How is bureaucrats deciding worse than "if you can't afford the care, then you die".

The person who has the most serious illness should recieve care first, then the seccond most serious, and so on. Not the richest person first. Serving the rich people first is more eugenetic, I think.

8/26/2009 2:28:06 AM

pup

lol, what? The NHS in the UK isn't mandatory, you have the option of private health care...

And the government decides fuckall about who gets treatment and who doesn't, it's on a basis of who needs it and who's been waiting longest. And if you need it and can afford it, like I said there's private health care. Bupa hasn't been driven out of business, has it?

8/28/2009 2:26:52 AM

Gah

What the hell is wrong with these bloody people?! How can government-funded healthcare possibly be worse than the utterly shambolic healthcare system they have now? I live in the UK (and yes, to repeat what everyone else has said, #5 is complete nonsense - in fact, there are strong arguments that we need to do something about making the NHS available only to UK citizens to stop everyone else in the world coming over here and getting treatment regardless of whether they've ever paid British taxes. EVERYONE gets healthcare!! All you have to do is walk into a doctor's surgery or hospital!). The NHS is far from perfect, but it's still one of the greatest things about this country. I'd rather have less-than-perfect free, guaranteed healthcare than no healthcare at all because my scummy insurance company doesn't think I have the right to treatment.

You can bet your life if Dubya had come up with this (hahaha! Hilarious concept), the fundies would be singing its praises from the rooftops and thanking teh Lawd for providing such a great leader. They're such a bunch of dense hypocrites. Their narrow-minded stupidity just never fails to amaze me.

8/28/2009 5:27:12 AM

Anon-e-moose

None of which actually happens in all the countries of the EU that has socialised healthcare - especially Britain.

Which you'd realise if you didn't watch Fux News, and instead watched/read CNN/BBC News/Reuters. Oh, but if you heard facts contrary to your right-wing news providers/pastors, you'd start questioning what you'd previously been told - mayhaps even your beliefs, and we can't have that, can we? Got to be part of the herd, bleating in lockstep with all the other brainless fundy sheeple.

8/28/2009 6:40:33 AM

Gloria

#4: "substantial health care rationing" exists wherever there is health care. The difference is that under universal health care it's rationed based on who needs it most, whereas under your current system it's rationed based on who has the most cash.

#5: now you're just making stuff up.

9/7/2009 8:37:57 PM

socoa

you are so misguided it's sad.

10/1/2009 5:07:55 AM

Obamacare FTW

"#6) If the government does allow you to get care, in order to control costs government bureaucrats (and not your doctor) will decide what treatment you will get for your condition. If they decide the treatment you need is not "cost-efficient" then you are sore out of luck. "

Interesting because this is exactly what insurance companies are doing now.

12/1/2009 5:08:40 PM

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@ Amanda
Agreed

12/1/2009 9:02:18 PM

Truthtron

1 for 9 is a very poor batting average there Revelation...I'll grant point #8 is valid, but the rest are patently false.

12/3/2009 8:27:31 AM

Andre

"#5) Just like in the U.K. and Canada, government bureaucrats will decide who gets care and who doesn't, and therefore they will often decide who lives and who dies. "

As opposed to now, where insurance companies get to pick and choose who to take based on pre-existing conditions you might not even know you have, and therefore get to decide whether you live or die.

4/6/2010 6:37:15 PM

Reckoner

Yeah? How'd that work out for ya?

4/12/2010 6:32:56 PM

Kesla

Most Americans tend to ignore the superior health care systems of other countries, e.g. UK and Canada, when they're making their idiotic point...

10/3/2010 9:59:41 AM



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10/4/2010 9:17:41 AM

Veras_the_Brujah

1. False
2. Doctors already cannot practice medicine without a government-issued license.
3. There is no "government-backed alternative." Even if there was, the only reason that private insurance systems would not be able to compete is if they were inferior.
4, 5, and 6. We already have health care rationing. In a government-run health care system, officials whose responsibility is to the people do the rationing. In our system, employees whose responsibility is to the CEO does it.
7. The health care plan reduces the deficit. Before the implementation of this law, the US government already spent more per person on health care than any other country in the world, on top of how much private individuals have to pay. We're already paying for a single-payer system. We're just not getting it.
8. The fines are light. And who does not want health insurance?
9. Abortions aren't covered, they had to take it out to get it to pass. Also, it's not really eugenics if the abortion is elective.

2/16/2011 11:08:45 PM

spider

If elective abortion=eugenics, then being mugged=charity?

5/27/2011 1:56:19 PM



All scarce goods, including helathcare, are rationed.
You just call it a PRICE.

6/18/2011 3:55:00 PM

Merkwurdigliebe

1. You have a card from your current insurance company, so what?
3. Why would you want to keep your current HMO? They're evil scumbags
4. Citation?
5. Citation? And I'd rather have them decide that than the evil HMOs
6. Citation? Why would they decide that over medical doctors?
7. Kind of like the war budget and other unnecessary things?
8. What's wrong with that? Health care is a GOOD thing you idiot.

6/21/2011 12:23:16 PM
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