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Sorry, but all you have to do is look at the latest "missing link" which looks more like a lizard than a human being. :lol: If that were found before the Darwin Delusion, there is no possible way to claim it was in any way, human, much less a missing link between humans and...of course they don't know what's on the other side of the chain since Darwin didn't describe his main characters (the common ancestor). So they can't know what any links in the middle of the chain are supposed to look like. They can thus find any animal and make up any story they want about it that can't be verified by anyone in history. That's the definition of a fairy tale. :wink:

But it's funny how easy it is for so many people to believe anything scientists say. Agaon, that's how myths become popular. :wink:

Carico, A Christian and an Atheist 53 Comments [8/25/2009 9:18:43 AM]
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timjamiller

But it's funny how easy it is for so many people to believe anything pastors say. Aga[i]n, that's how myths become popular. :wink:

Fixed.

And Ida doesn't look like a lizard. But if you've found something else that doubles the amount of gaps in the fossil record, please point me towards it.

8/25/2009 9:26:21 AM

aaa

She's back, she is still dumber than a prussian jackboot and she still preaches stupid shit on internet.

Yep, it's genuine Carico.

8/25/2009 9:39:31 AM

Doubting Thomas

I thought the idea of a "missing link" was false, since evolution is not a constant chain like from monkey to cro-magnon to homo sapiens. And no, they can't just "find any animal and make up any story" since everything done in science has to follow the scientific method. Plus there's that pesky peer review that scientific ideas have to stand up to.

Actually, when you talk about making up any story you want that can't be verified by anyone in history sounds like what Kent Hovind and his fellow creationists have always done. Talk about a fairy tale, with their very own magical sky fairy.

8/25/2009 9:42:28 AM

Anon-e-moose

"Sorry, but all you have to do is look at the latest "missing link" which looks more like a lizard than a human being"

If you're talking about Darwinius masillae, I'm afraid this:



Conclusively proves the link between primates and humans. And thus destroys the biological aspects of the 'Creation story' in Genesis. Better be prepared for when the LHC does it's stuff and destroys the cosmological aspects of Genesis.

But it's funny how easy it is for so many people to believe anything preachers say. Again, that's how myths become popular ~_^

Denial. It's not just a river in Egypt, Carico.

8/25/2009 9:43:12 AM

Bored One-time Poster

Sorry, what are you prattling on about?

It sounds like you were saying that people will believe anything that scientists say, and that evolution was a myth that mistakenly became accepted as literally true because Darwin wrote a book and everybody now believes what it says.

But then, no fundie would be a massive hypocrite...would he?

@Anon-e-moose: Humans are primates.

8/25/2009 9:49:21 AM

DevilsChaplain

"If that were found before the Darwin Delusion..."

The Darwin Delusion? Ahahahahahahaha, I see wut u did thar. Because Richard Dawkins' book was The God Delusion, so, so you used The Darwin Delusion to say that evolution was a myth, just as Richard Dawkins thinks god is a myth. You are just so clever. Seriously, did you...did you think of that one all on your own? Oho, satire thy name is Carico! Trey Parker and Matt Stone couldn't hold a candle to this guy. [/sarcasm]

8/25/2009 9:58:53 AM

Hammurabi

Ida demonstrates a key moment in evolutionary history where primates began to diverge from other mammals. Whether that means she is slightly before that split or slightly after is uncertain. Ida is another in a long line of wonderful examples of how the TOE can make a prediction, and then confirm that prediction.

The whole idea of a "missing link" is fallacious and the terminology should be (and has been by the majority of the scientific community) dropped.

8/25/2009 9:59:27 AM

John_in_Oz

Carico thinks science is conducted the same way religion is.

8/25/2009 10:02:46 AM

Zeus Almighty

"But it's funny how easy it is for so many people to believe anything scientists say. Agaon, that's how myths become popular. :wink:"

(Man at microphone clears throat). "And this year's pot calling the kettle black award goes to ... Carico."

8/25/2009 10:03:33 AM

Eden

They can thus find any animal and make up any story they want about it that can't be verified by anyone in history. That's the definition of a fairy tale. :wink:


Well, that sounds more like the way the authors of the bible worked...
making up stories about historical times and places that cannot be verified, in order to give the jewish tribes some kind of national identity and to create a common deity which would give the authors of said stories (which were the priests) a lot of power over their people.
Well, 2.5-3 millenia after the creation of said stories there are still people gullible enough to think they are literally true. I assume the priests who invented them would laugh their ass of, if they were still alive and would know about it ;)

8/25/2009 10:04:54 AM

John_in_Oz

Further on in the thread, NH Baritone has this post which I have to share:
"CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS: Arguing over the color of the threads in the Emperor's new clothes."

8/25/2009 10:08:14 AM

Anon-e-moose

@Bored One-time Poster

"Humans are primates."

I feel intellectually chimpoverished by your correction. I'd better jump on the colobus and go home with my capuchin on my chest in humility. I'd come up with a rebuttal, but I'm feeling too langur-ous.

Oh, the shame! Rhesus Christ.

...I'll get my coat.

8/25/2009 10:08:34 AM

Horsefeathers

"Sorry, but all you have to do is look at the latest "missing link" which looks more like a lizard than a human being."

You do realize that you're related to lizards, don't you? Not that it has any relevance to the fossil.

"If that were found before the Darwin Delusion, there is no possible way to claim it was in any way, human,"

Nobody, save perhaps you, is trying to claim it is in any way human.

"much less a missing link between humans and..."

But, it is a "missing link" between humans and other closely related primates.

"of course they don't know what's on the other side of the chain since Darwin didn't describe his main characters (the common ancestor)."

He may not have, but modern biologists most certainly have described common ancestors for various species. In fact, they not only described what they likely looked like but the area they should be found in and where in the geological strata they should be found. And what do you know, that's just what happened. Does Tiktaalik ring any bells?

"So they can't know what any links in the middle of the chain are supposed to look like."

Bullshit. For a number of reasons. Like, we've found them before. Or we've predicted them and then found them. Or simply by looking in the fucking mirror.

"They can thus find any animal and make up any story they want about it that can't be verified by anyone in history."

Except other biologists.

Where do people like you get this idea that science is some sort of conspiracy? If you get caught making shit up they take a away your lab coat and make you stand in the unemployment line. Bullshit isn't allowed in science.

"That's the definition of a fairy tale."

No. It's not.

"But it's funny how easy it is for so many people to believe anything scientists say."

A few hundred years of being fucking right about shit does that. Conversely, a few thousand years of being fucking wrong about everything has an opposite effect.

8/25/2009 10:10:50 AM

Papabear

John_in_Oz -- That is one of the Fundie's real problems. Science is so far out of their frame of reference that they DO think it works as a religion. Of course, saying that Carico thinks is something of a leap.

8/25/2009 10:10:58 AM

Dr. Gus

Nope, that "missing link" doesn't look at all like a lizard, please try again... oh, it's you Carico, nevermind.

8/25/2009 10:12:29 AM

John

Creationists can't even decide among themselves whether some hominid fossils are humans or apes. Lubenow called Java Man a human. Most of the rest of the creationists say it's an ape. Duane Gish actually called ER1470 a human in the 70's, then changed his mind and said it was a human in the 80's. Yet no creationist will ever admit it's a "missing link".

8/25/2009 10:35:26 AM

Doctor Whom

I was going to post something, but Carico's shiny, shiny mirror temporarily blinded me.

8/25/2009 10:47:34 AM

Mihangel apYrs

Carico - Return to insanity

8/25/2009 10:48:24 AM

Zoo

"which looks more like a lizard than a human being."

Because you're an expert paleontologist with excellent reconstructive and comparative anatomy skills, right?

"Darwin didn't describe his main characters (the common ancestor)"

Because he didn't necessarily have an idea what they would look like, perhaps? Just because there's nobody telling us exactly what all the missing links should look like (or how many there are, and you can bet, though we'll never find them all as fossils, there are millions) doesn't mean we can't find them.

"They can thus find any animal and make up any story they want about it that can't be verified by anyone in history."

Again, reconstructive anatomy expertise (knowing what things looked like before they got squashed) and comparative anatomy expertise (knowing what things are common features between a given fossil and a given species) are the keys here, not making up stories.

"That's the definition of a fairy tale."

Indeed, but that's exactly how science does not work.

"But it's funny how easy it is for so many people to believe anything scientists say."

There's a reason for that. It's because scientists have torn each others work to shreds over and over and over until what's left is what we know best to be truth. We will also admit when we are wrong, and update theories with new evidence, or throw them out altogether.

"that's how myths become popular."

No, not really.

Edit:

After looking at Anon-e-moose's picture, I can see how to a very untrained eye it -might- look like a lizard, but of course to the rest of us it is -very- obviously a primate.

@Doubting Thomas:
The idea of there being ONE missing link is indeed false. There are piles and piles of them, since evolution, when you're not at a branch point, is a continuum and of course fossilization is very rare.

8/25/2009 11:14:34 AM

Pule Thamex

Is that a facial tic you have there or evidence of a mental disorder beginning to manifest itself?

8/25/2009 11:14:42 AM

Dr. Novakaine

Ida looks nothing like a lizard. You fail biology forever.

8/25/2009 11:18:28 AM

RavenWood

It's the winks that make me want to kick her.

8/25/2009 11:43:18 AM

breakerslion

I have an Aunt Ida in Florida that looks more like a lizard than a human being, so what's your point again?

8/25/2009 11:53:29 AM

Dr. Gus

Nope, that "missing link" doesn't look at all like a lizard, please try again... oh, it's you Carico, nevermind.

8/25/2009 12:02:12 PM

emau99

[Darwin didn't describe his main characters (the common ancestor).]

Scientists can't just make shit up, Carico. There's this thing called "peer review". Look it up.

[...make up any story they want about it that can't be verified by anyone in history. That's the definition of a fairy tale. :wink:]

Sort of like... say, for example... RELIGION? :wink:

[But it's funny how easy it is for so many people to believe anything scientists say. Agaon, that's how myths become popular. :wink:]

You're projecting again, Carico.

8/25/2009 12:10:14 PM
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