8/28/2009 7:07:24 PM
Firstly, there is no way the Christ wrote anything of the Old Testament. The tradition is that they were inspired by God, rather than the Christ, yes?
Secondly, just because it's of God doesn't automatically mean it's right (there's a Jewish tradition, in the Mishnah I think, of rabbis actually overruling God on a matter, and God actually laughing with delight and approval over it).
Thirdly, nothing was spoken in the Bible of the mechanisms God used.
8/28/2009 7:16:47 PM
Evolution is change over time. That means as little as a population adapting to an environment. We've seen that. We've also seen speciation, which is further along in the process. Evolution, simply, is fact.
I will grant evolutionary theory is not proven, but that's because we can only prove things are not true, not that things are true. We try to -disprove- things we think may be true. When we can't do that, we accept them to be true until someone comes up with a test to disprove them (this happens, for one example, if the technology needed hasn't been invented yet). Then we modify the explanation or look for a new one, depending on how much was disproved. In other words, thousands of scientists have spent the last 150 years trying to -disprove- evolutionary theory. Parts have been modified or thrown out, but overall the theory still stands. THAT'S why we accept it as true.
8/28/2009 7:25:37 PM
"The fact is evolution has never been proven, even though scientists like to think that."
Science doesn't "prove" anything. It simply says, "this is the most likely explanation given the current evidence". So far the evidence points to evolution being the correct explanation.
"There are many holes in evolution and logic supports the bible."
You have a hole in your head if you think that.
"The bible is not just a book of dos and donts,"
Of course not. It's also full of hate, bigotry, misinformation, outright lies, mythology, bad poetry, poor history and flawed thinking.
There's a few decent ideas in it, but the other stuff far outweighs it.
"its the word of God through our Lord Jesus Christ."
Really? My Bible doesn't have a Book of Jesus in it. Perhaps I have a misprint...
"It's only arrogant fools that cant see this."
And only deluded fools who can.
8/28/2009 9:00:49 PM
Yeah, yeah. Project your paranoia and squawk your bible babble to your heart's content. We still have the fossils and you still lose!
8/28/2009 9:16:22 PM
Wow how arrogant of you to say.
8/28/2009 9:18:50 PM
Youtube quote. 'Nuff said.
8/28/2009 9:24:59 PM
"It's only arrogant fools that cant[sic] see this."
8/28/2009 10:28:26 PM
So scientists who have studied this for a good part of their lives know nothing about it, but some random ignoramus like you do? No.
8/28/2009 11:29:19 PM
Pi = 3.
8/28/2009 11:58:25 PM
Nothing works that way.
It had to be said once, dammit! :)
8/29/2009 1:52:46 AM
Fail biology much?
8/29/2009 2:08:03 AM
Look who's talking.
8/29/2009 2:56:38 AM
It's only arrogant fools that believe this shit.
8/29/2009 3:43:34 AM
8/29/2009 4:24:10 AM
Three words. Bull Fucking Shit!
8/29/2009 4:24:57 AM
Find me the biggest aircraft hangar you can, GodsSoldier107. It still wouldn't be big enough to hold all the evidence for evolution.
What do you fundies have in defence of Creationism?: A Book.
We win. But then, it's only arrogant fools that cant see this.
8/29/2009 7:29:07 AM
Look around, you dolt, and see evolution in action with something as simple as the Flu virus.
8/29/2009 8:35:08 AM
I've just had an insight into Fundie insults.
Firstly, note that they play turn-about with the rebukes they receive. Picture an ignorant primary school child whose teacher advises them that they've made a mistake, and failed to carry the tens. Envisage him responding "No, you failed to carry the tens."
To the child it appears they've leveled the playing field, by returning the exact same rebuke, utterly ignoring the fact there was a valid reason for the initial rebuke, and that the underlying reality addressed by the teacher does not support them. They don't realise they are publicly embarrassing themselves, though that is in fact what they're doing.
Some of their insults are just bizarre. You can tell that they mean to be insulting, but like receiving an ethnic slur that applies only to another race, it's WTF rather than hurtful. Examples of these are accusations of arrogance for accepting evolution. Since we used reason, evidence and logic to come to a considered judgment, the accusation is just silly. Another example is the reference to evolution as a fairy tale. I met a third instance during a debate on evolution, when the Fundie asserted "Evolutionist arguments resemble the Empire State Building, they have 130 different stories and there's a floor(flaw) in every one of them." Now I hadn't met that particular line before, but it's a good one. (Apart from the number being wrong.) It's obvious that it's ripped off from a critique of the Gish gallop.
Now here's the insight: What they're doing with these bizarre insults is repeating the ones that stung them most.
So, call them out on their arrogance, their fairy tales and their 102 different flawed stories- not only are you in the right, but you're hitting their self-disclosed weakest points.
8/29/2009 8:48:33 AM
1) Can you point out these holes in the theory of evolution?
2) How does logic support the creation myth? I've even met priests who reject it.
8/29/2009 9:11:44 AM
Willful and arrogant ignorance is not a virtue, sonny boy.
8/29/2009 10:40:55 AM
Ok. Got it. I am an arrogant fool. How silly of me. Now....about that "logic that supports the babble".....what exactly would that be?
8/29/2009 10:58:07 AM
ToE was formulated to explain the fossil record and genetic phenomena. In other words, the evidence precedes the explanation. New evidence may require an expanded explanation, but the vast majority of newly-acquired evidence supports the comprehensive Theory as it stands today.
The bible is a crappy bronze-age slashfest with masochist fanfic added on.  Except for the stuff Jefferson preserved.
8/29/2009 11:27:14 AM
... logic supports the bible.
Not the one I read.
8/29/2009 1:02:56 PM
ANd it's only ignorant morons who can "see this".
8/29/2009 5:53:51 PM