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Fail quantum cosmology much?
8/27/2009 1:12:39 PM
"the universe needs a beginning"
8/27/2009 1:13:56 PM
Some, like Steven Hawking even lie in their theories.
Let me be the first one to say this:
You have no background or knowledge enabling you to even evaluate any of Prof. Hawkings papers, much less claim he has lied!
8/27/2009 1:16:45 PM
If it is a fact that everything needs a beginning, then that must apply to your god as well. It doesn't solve anything. It just creates an infinite progression of creator forces going back to infinity.
If you are going to create an exception for your god, then you have already proven the idea that everything needs a beginning to be invalid, and it is then just as plausable under that belief that the universe has simply existed all along.
8/27/2009 1:23:33 PM
Science cannot get around the fact that the universe needs a beginning.
Creationism can't get around the question of "Where did God come from?"
PBBBBBTTTTT!! (makes raspberry sound)
8/27/2009 1:24:37 PM
Did you just call "THE HAWK" a liar?!
8/27/2009 1:25:09 PM
You have no idea how many notions science has "recanted" over the years.
But they all had one thing in common: they were wrong.
8/27/2009 1:32:13 PM
Whatever anyone can come up with to rationalize God not needing a beginning, can just as easily be applied to the universe itself. Anything else is blatant goalpost moving.
8/27/2009 1:33:29 PM
1. There is no need to start 4 out of 7 sentences with the word "but". I beg of you, please stop raping English.
2. I do not believe for one minute that you even begin to comprehend Stephen Hawking's work, let alone that you can point out even a single instance of him "lying". Please STFU. You are making an utter ass out of yourself.
8/27/2009 1:40:00 PM
Nah, you don't get the point! Unlike you they don't assume that a magical sky - fairy is a necessary condition for the universe to exist, or that it even needs a beginning.
8/27/2009 1:40:39 PM
No the religous people cannon get around the fact that the universe needs a begining. Scientist aren't sure if there was a beginning or not.
8/27/2009 1:43:05 PM
Science isn't trying to "get around the fact" because it hasn't found the beginning yet.
8/27/2009 1:52:44 PM
Nope, you and your kind will just keep trying to shoehorn god into the ever narrowing gaps.
8/27/2009 1:53:40 PM
I'd be amazed if you've even read the page numbers on one of Stephen Hawking's publications, especially since you can't even take the time to look up how to spell his name.
8/27/2009 1:54:51 PM
Off the internet, foo.
8/27/2009 2:00:32 PM
"But all fail. Some, like Steven Hawking even lie in their theories."
You not understanding the explanation does not equate to lying.
8/27/2009 2:15:42 PM
The universe no more needs a beginning than does your God.
When calling Steven Hawking a liar, you really should provide a relevent citation. Checking his track record against yours, I have to side with Dr. Hawking until you present credible evidence supporting your claim.
P.S. One day the religious will have to recant most of their ridiculous notions.
8/27/2009 2:16:28 PM
Apply everything you said to the existance of God. He had to start somewhere (by your rules) forever before anything else did. Where's there any truth in this?
Stephen Hawking is looking for answers, he's at the highest level of physics, looking for those answers we simply don't have yet. He may not break it but his work will be invaluable to the future knowledge. This is how science works, it has few stars and fewer poster boys but it's the culmative work of thousands.
You only know about Hawking because he's important
8/27/2009 2:20:52 PM
Same old argument from personal incredulity. Good luck with that.
8/27/2009 2:26:55 PM
Everything needs a beginning... except God.
8/27/2009 2:30:58 PM
Yes, the truth always bears out, and your "god" is going down the proverbial tubes.
8/27/2009 2:39:19 PM
5 1/2 minute hallway
So...why does it need a beginning?
And if something had to start it, why does it have to be a god?
And if it has to be a god, then why the Christian God?
8/27/2009 2:45:37 PM
"Science cannot get around the fact that the universe needs a beginning."
We assume it does, yes. . . for all we know it's been here forever. The evidence points to a beginning though.
"But something had to get it started."
If it had a beginning, yes. It's silly to just assume it's a god though. It's even more silly to assume it's your God, when your story and your "creation scientists'" ideas (they have some pretty wild ones in this area. . .) directly contradict observable evidence.
"But they come up with all kinds of reasons and hypotheses to reason God out."
You don't understand how science works, do you? If we had evidence that God did it, we'd talk about that instead of things like the big bang. We don't have that evidence, and you guys aren't quick in bringing us anything but flawed conjecture.
"Some, like Steven Hawking even lie in their theories."
Examples and citations please?
"And one day science will have to recant most of their notions."
Science is not a person and does not hold notions. Science is a process and what we hold as true today may not be next week, if we find evidence to overturn those things.
8/27/2009 2:53:09 PM
Stephen Hawking has done more with one finger than you have with your entire body. So you can take your bullshit and STFU.
Edit: WMDKitty beat me to it.
8/27/2009 2:56:37 PM
Nathan the Wise
Our universe seems to have had a beginning.
There may be others.
8/27/2009 3:02:59 PM
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