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Oh my goodness, if you continue to try and pull that Pledge of Allegiance baloney, I am going to get angry. Don't you DARE try and make this a patriotism issue. YOU are demanding EXTRA SPECIAL rights and telling me I am not being AMERICAN???? REALLY? I am not telling you any reason why you should marry someone that you don't love. Don't get married if you don't like guys. But Don't tell me that I HAVE to support homosexuals DEMANDING extra and special rights just because they do not like the legal definition of marriage. HOnestly, give me a break.

You CHOOSE who you want to have sex with. If it isn't about sex, then live with your roommate and stop trying to make this a sexual issue. I don't want to know who you have sex with or what you CHOOSE to do in the privacy of your own home, but stop DRAGGING your immoral choices into the public eye and DEMANDING extra rights.

Belva Post, 1,000,000 for Defending Prop 8 58 Comments [8/29/2009 5:57:04 PM]
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#1014508

RavenWood

It's not an extra right if everyone has it BUT people you don't like. Take your homophobia and shove it.

8/29/2009 6:01:11 PM

#1014510

Ken

How about we take away straight marriage and see how you like it? It's really easy to deny people what you already have, isn't it. Marriage isn't an "extra special right."

P.S. Don't defile the good name of bologna.

8/29/2009 6:04:28 PM

#1014511

Miles

Sigh... What can you say? Some people are just too stupid to put any independent thought into anything. However, I feel compelled to say this to Belva - shove it up your undoubtedly fat, carbuncle-covered, bigoted, brain-dead asshole.

8/29/2009 6:05:17 PM

#1014512

vana

It's not SPECIAL rights if it's SOMETHING that's being DENIED to people for an UNCONSTITUTIONAL reason based on BIAS and HATRED.

8/29/2009 6:10:34 PM

#1014513

vana

Crud. Double post. That'll learn me to hit "refresh".

8/29/2009 6:12:47 PM

#1014514

Thinking Allowed

The GLBT are not asking for extra and/or special rights. They're asking for the same rights.

8/29/2009 6:15:26 PM

#1014515

JSS

But THAT'S not the ISSUE here. YOU are trying to DENY gays their legal RIGHTS. They are NOT SPECIAL RIGHTS anymore than CHURCH TAX EXEMPT STATUS is a special right. This is NOT about homosexuality being thrown in your face. This is about YOU singling out a certain MINORITY GROUP as INFERIOR and NOT WORTHY of EQUAL RIGHTS.

8/29/2009 6:16:00 PM

#1014517

revolver

If it were brought about, then it wouldn't necessarily be an EXTRA or SPECIAL right because you'd be entitled to it as well, even if you didn't use it. Just like gays would have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex that they wouldn't use. It balances out, there are no EXTRA SPECIAL rights in the end...

Idiot.

8/29/2009 6:19:33 PM

#1014519

HoJuSimpson

Yes, you choose who you have sex with, otherwise it's rape. No, you do NOT choose who you're attracted to. And no, queer people should not have to "choose" to be with someone of the opposite sex just to have the same fucking rights your ass takes for granted.

Get a fucking life, bigot.

8/29/2009 6:23:39 PM

#1014522

Amanda

I don't think she's asking for extra rights, actually. I think she's asking for the same rights as everyone else. She would not be dragging this into the public eye if she had those rights. Also, according to merriam-webster, same sex marriages count as marriages.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marriage

8/29/2009 6:32:15 PM

#1014529

dpareja

This strikes me as the problem with framing this as an issue about how straight people have the right to marry the person they love but gays don't. It doesn't really promote any sort of meaningful dialogue, because homophobes like Belva here either a) deny that gays can love and therefore there's no basis to allow them to marry on the strength of that argument, or b) think that gay sex is so icky and horrible and nasty and disgusting and just plain wrong that the state shouldn't appear to condone it by allowing gay relationships to have the title of "marriage". All you're getting is a knee-jerk reaction, and doing nothing about where the homophobia comes from.

8/29/2009 6:54:57 PM

#1014535

Arctic Knight

Once again, not allowing gays to marry violates U.S. law by denying someone the ability to do something based on sexual discrimination.

A woman can marry a man, however, based on sexually discriminatory laws, a man does not have the same right as a woman to also marry a man. Sexual discrimination is against the law in the U.S. Everyone should have the same rights regardless of their sex.

8/29/2009 7:02:13 PM

#1014541

Zoo

"YOU are demanding EXTRA SPECIAL rights and telling me I am not being AMERICAN????"

There sure are a lot of pots around here lately. . . .

"homosexuals DEMANDING extra and special rights"

Except they aren't demanding extra rights nor special rights, nor extra special rights. They want the SAME rights that you and I have as heterosexuals, which they DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE.

"If it isn't about sex, then live with your roommate"

Alright, then I can say the same to you. You can't benefit from your partner's death benefits, you can't get the tax breaks that everyone else does and you may not be able to visit him in the hospital. And hell, though it is an important point, even that's not the real issue. I bet you didn't get married (assuming you are) because you wanted tax breaks.

8/29/2009 7:14:51 PM

#1014543

werewolf

You are not being AMERICAN! Really!

That clear enough for you, asshole?

8/29/2009 7:18:10 PM

#1014544

Horsefeathers

"But Don't tell me that I HAVE to support homosexuals DEMANDING extra and special rights just because they do not like the legal definition of marriage."

First, nobody's demanding "extra special" rights. They're demanding the same rights you have. You know, like women did. And blacks. It's called social equality.

Second, as far as I'm aware there is no legal definition of marriage that says "a man and a woman" which is sort of the reason you goofy fuckers wanted such a law written.

"You CHOOSE who you want to have sex with. If it isn't about sex, then live with your roommate and stop trying to make this a sexual issue."

You may choose the person but, unless you happen to be bisexual, the gender of said person is not a choice.

"I don't want to know who you have sex with or what you CHOOSE to do in the privacy of your own home,"

Bullshit. If people like you didn't want to know or simply didn't care then this would be a non-issue.

"but stop DRAGGING your immoral choices into the public eye and DEMANDING extra rights."

The only people demanding "extra rights" are loonies like you who are demanding to be allowed to dictate who an adult may or may not marry or engage in private acts within the confines of their own homes with.

8/29/2009 7:18:32 PM

#1014545

Mudak

Could someone please answer me a serious question about this?

When I read Belva's words, I think that Belva should be apathetic to whether or not gays should marry.

And that's where I'm stuck. Someone you don't know, wants to marry someone else you don't know. Why should you care? I can understand supporting gays' right to marry. I can understand apathy. I just don't understand the sheer amount of bile coming from people opposed to it. Why would anyone other than the most self-hating of the community be opposed? And since when do the most self-hating have any clout whatsoever?

8/29/2009 7:19:01 PM

#1014548

clockworkgirl21

Oh my goodness, if you continue to try and pull that Pledge of Allegiance baloney, I am going to get angry.

I kept reading that as "Pledge of Allegiance Balcony." Perhaps if you had spelled bologna correctly...

Don't you DARE try and make this a patriotism issue. YOU are demanding EXTRA SPECIAL rights and telling me I am not being AMERICAN???? REALLY?

Gays want the right to marry who they love. Straights have that right. Gays do not. How is that extra special rights?

I am not telling you any reason why you should marry someone that you don't love. Don't get married if you don't like guys. But Don't tell me that I HAVE to support homosexuals DEMANDING extra and special rights just because they do not like the legal definition of marriage. HOnestly, give me a break.

Not supporting it is one thing. Stand in front of people trying to get the rights is something else. When you do that, you're an ass, so prepared to be called out on it.

You CHOOSE who you want to have sex with. If it isn't about sex, then live with your roommate and stop trying to make this a sexual issue.

Marriage is a sexual issue? No. It's a social issue.

I don't want to know who you have sex with or what you CHOOSE to do in the privacy of your own home, but stop DRAGGING your immoral choices into the public eye and DEMANDING extra rights.

Then stop dragging your disgusting heterosexual life out in front of us and telling us we're asking for special rights!

See how that works?

8/29/2009 7:25:09 PM

#1014554

Giveitaday

Oh my goodness, if you continue to try and pull that Pledge of Allegiance baloney, I am going to get angry

So? Is that some kinda of threat? Grow up, the internet tough guy shit just makes you look like an even bigger fool than your base ignorance and bigotry do.

Don't you DARE try and make this a patriotism issue.

Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that patriotism was only availible to those who agree with you.

YOU are demanding EXTRA SPECIAL rights and telling me I am not being AMERICAN????

What "extra special" rights? If you are denying rights to one group but letting other groups avail themselves of said rights then you are not acting to advance the cause of liberty.

REALLY?

Really.

I am not telling you any reason why you should marry someone that you don't love.

No, you are just saying that you should be allowed to decide whether or not someone can marry the person they love based on their sexuality and your opinion of their sexuality.

But Don't tell me that I HAVE to support homosexuals DEMANDING extra and special rights just because they do not like the legal definition of marriage

No one is asking for "extra and special" rights, they just want to be extended the same rights as heterosexuals. There is no traditional "legal definition" of marrige in US law, just ad hoc definitions that have recently shoehorned into law with the sole and express intent of denying the right to marry to homosexuals. Not because it reflected any traditional legal definition, but because conservative and religious reactionaries don't like gays and would rather see them back in the closet, or better yet just eliminated altogether.

Futher more, in Califonria a ban on gay marriage was ruled to be unconstitutional under the California state constitution, Prop. 8 didn't not change the constitution, it simply reinstituted a ban that was previously ruled to be unconstitutional. If you want to outlaw gay marriage then you need more than a ballot initiative, you need a constitutional convention.

HOnestly, give me a break.

No.

You CHOOSE who you want to have sex with.

Yes, but you don't get to choose what gender, or even what type of person you are attracted to. Sexual attraction is not, cannot, and never will be subject to the will. You simply cannot choose who you are attracted to.

If it isn't about sex, then live with your roommate and stop trying to make this a sexual issue.

It's not a sexual issue, it's an issue of marrying who you want rather than who you are told you are "allowed" to.

I don't want to know who you have sex with or what you CHOOSE to do in the privacy of your own home

Then why do you insist upon making what people do in the privacy of their homes an issue when the wish to marry?

but stop DRAGGING your immoral choices into the public eye and DEMANDING extra rights

Your religion says it's immoral, not the law, and not society, and your religious mores and opinion should not, and indeed cannot be allowed to dictate laws to the people when those people are by no means uniformly christian, or even religious at all.

How can people be demanding "extra" rights when they are sinply demanding that the rights enjoyed by heterosexuals be extended to them also? It's not an "extra" right if it's a right that is already extended to a portion of the citizenry. It's like saying that blacks were "demanding extra rights" to marry whites. It was a bullshit argument then, and it's still a bullshit argument now.

8/29/2009 7:45:57 PM

#1014569

Skyknight

Because bestiality is inherently rape (how did you secure the animal's consent, exactly?); completely different story with homosexuality (keep in mind that the two men or two women are probably close together in age). Besides, just because God says it's right, doesn't mean it is (or, for that matter, because he says it's wrong, doesn't mean it is). The laws of good and evil exist outside of God; not even he has the power or the right to alter them.

8/29/2009 8:21:55 PM

#1014577

agentCDE

We don't want you to support anything. We just want you to leave us the fucking hell alone.

8/29/2009 8:46:34 PM

#1014579

Jesus

RANDOM caps lock doesn't HELP MAKE your point. It just MAKES YOU seem immature.

8/29/2009 8:52:06 PM

#1014588

Blackvoice

I, personally, think marriage is unnecesary unless you want the legal benefits that come with it. However, it still should be available to those who want it - all of them.

8/29/2009 9:26:26 PM

#1014590

Arctic Knight

#1014559
the christian troll

Why are you guys so pro-gay? It says in the Bible, that gays are going to hell. Why don't we legalize bestiality?

8/29/2009 7:56:04 PM

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Three words; Informed Consenting Adults. Animals can not consent, nor are they informed.

Don't bother with pedophilia either, children are not adults. And as for the third argument used along these lines, polygamy, who cares? Your god doesn't since it was condoned in your bible.

8/29/2009 9:32:31 PM

#1014596

@the christian troll

"It says in the Bible, that gays are going to hell."

Umm... do you really need to ask why that argument doesn't hold water around here?

The Koran says that you're going to be punished for worshiping Jesus.

8/29/2009 9:42:30 PM

#1014597

Eimiilove

Random capslock does not automatically make you correct, Belva Post.

Christian Troll: To add to what Arctic Knight said about polygamy being allowed... Incest was okay by the bible, too. =] Lot slept with his daughters and had children with them. Strange that all the things you find immoral now were perfectly fine by your holy babble. And we're pro-gay rights because we're pro-equality and anti-stupidity. Who are you to take away rights from others based on your own delusions?

8/29/2009 9:42:36 PM

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