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"I would rather you commit suicide than have you leave Love In Action wanting to return to the gay lifestyle. In a physical death you could still have a spiritual resurrection; whereas, returning to homosexuality you are yielding yourself to a spiritual death from which there is no recovery." --The Final Indoctrination from John Smid, Director, Love In Action (LIA), San Rafael's "ex-gay" clan.

John Smid, DailyKos.com 46 Comments [8/29/2009 6:34:25 PM]
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I read about the afterlife

YOU SHOW THAT CHRISTIAN LURRVE!

8/29/2009 6:43:37 PM

Carbon

Feel the Compassionate Conservative Christian looooove.

8/29/2009 6:50:12 PM

emau99

I thought suicide was an "unforgivable" sin?

8/29/2009 6:55:04 PM

dpareja

@emau99: Yeah, but apparently there are degrees of unforgivability, at least in John Smid's mind.

8/29/2009 6:56:36 PM

Amber

What a cunt

8/29/2009 6:57:56 PM

jsonitsac

Isn't suicide generally considered a sin in Christianity?

8/29/2009 7:00:25 PM

vana

If you're not already dead (I think one of the founders of LIA left and then killed himself), please DIAF.

8/29/2009 7:02:47 PM

Zoo

@emau99, jsonitsac: It depends. In the denomination I grew up in it's a sin, since it's supposedly usurping God's right to choose who lives and dies (never mind that God's apparently not powerful enough to prevent it or that maybe that's how God would choose for a given person to die), but it's not completely unforgiveable.

As for John Smid, you're a fucking bastard. These people have had enough crap from people like you already, and now you're telling them to kill themselves if they just can't deny who they really are?

8/29/2009 7:08:07 PM

Mudak

Translation: stay with me and let me keep making you feel awful about yourself, or kill yourself.

8/29/2009 7:14:33 PM

werewolf

Bwahahahahahahahaha!

8/29/2009 7:15:41 PM

clockworkgirl21

Go choke on something.

8/29/2009 7:20:14 PM

Tolpuddle Martyr

"Ex gay" fundies, truly the saddest of a sad bunch.

Edit: Actually, probably on equal footing with the "born again virgins."

8/29/2009 7:57:11 PM

Giveitaday

I would rather you commit suicide than have you leave Love In Action wanting to return to the gay lifestyle.

Of course you would. Better dead than gay? That is what you are advocating after all. Why is it I have a bad feeling that sooner or latter either you or one of your members will take it upon themselves to remove those who leave your "ex-gay" movement from the population.

In a physical death you could still have a spiritual resurrection;

Did you miss the part of the bible the lists suicide as a mortal sin and an offense to "god" that would send a person to hell?

whereas, returning to homosexuality you are yielding yourself to a spiritual death from which there is no recovery

Chapter & Verse? Oh, that's right... You just made that up to scare the gay away, right? You're misleading people who are already vunerable, dealing with sexual identity disorder and self-loathing, with a theology that youy are just making up as you go along, and on top of that you are telling them that if they return to homosexual activity that they should kill themselves so that "god" will still love them. You are a despicable human being. I am disgusted and revolted beyond belief by your careless and downright criminal attitude towards vunerable young people and their well being.

8/29/2009 8:06:01 PM

LDM

I think this really translates into: I don't want to lose the (probably) enormous fees your parents are paying me, and I'll say anything to keep you here, even if it fucks you up even worse than I already have.

Any parent who sent their kids to that program need to be charged with child abuse.

8/29/2009 8:07:55 PM

Geno

You would rather people kill themselves instead of leaving a program that tells people to hate themselves for who they are and makes them develop and form an unhappy and unhealthy mentality for the rest of their lives?! I do not say this often, but you, sir, are a sick fuck!

8/29/2009 8:43:33 PM

agentCDE

Actually, suicide is a sin too. So no, you're going directly to Hell. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

8/29/2009 8:45:09 PM

nemesis

Please take your own advice

8/29/2009 8:46:00 PM

revolver

I went to Catholic grade school, and the stance I learned was the suicide is the murder of oneself, and as you die with the mortal sin of murder on your soul, I highly doubt it would allow for any spiritual resurrection.

I don't know if this is true (or do I? dun dun dun), but either way, suicide is a solution to nothing, jackass.

8/29/2009 9:04:35 PM

Blackvoice

It's weird how homosexuality is becoming a worse offense in the fundie mind than violating a commandment like 'don't kill.'

8/29/2009 9:18:16 PM

ausador

"I would rather you commit suicide than have you leave Love In Action wanting to return to the gay lifestyle."

Because teh ghay is just so nasty and icky I'd rather you were dead than see on top...or, gasp, on the bottom!

"In a physical death you could still have a spiritual resurrection; whereas, returning to homosexuality you are yielding yourself to a spiritual death from which there is no recovery."

My invisible imaginary friend who "embodies love and forgiveness" tells me that if you go back to being gay that you will be burned and tortured endlessly throughout all the rest of eternity. Doesn't that seem like a fair punishment for being sexually attracted to someone else of your own gender?

Honestly, you should take your pyschotic god and shove him up your ass...I wouldn't worship him even IF my immortal soul depended on it.


8/29/2009 9:20:05 PM

Thinking Allowed

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't suicide a sin?

8/29/2009 9:20:09 PM

Musicalbookworm

Feel the Christian love...

8/29/2009 9:41:01 PM

Zits


This guy is less slimy than John Smid me thinks!

8/29/2009 9:42:09 PM



@the christian troll

"Gay marriage is immoral."

Then your morals are bad. Try getting them through empathy for your fellow humans, and not from some bronze-age goatherds.

Suicide is bad because you don't have time to be forgiven for the sin of killing yourself. Being gay is something you can still be forgiven for. Mass murder is something you can still be forgiven for. Simply put, anything except suicide and rejecting the holy spirit are forgiveable. So why do immoral acts matter at all? If Jesus dies for your sins, make it worth his while. Make sure you have lots of sins for Jesus to have died for!

8/29/2009 9:56:25 PM

Hakar

Wait, if homosexuality is 'a spiritual death from which there is no recovery', what's the point of ex-gay movements?

8/29/2009 11:06:39 PM
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