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[Re King James Bible. Shadow Girl: I can barely read that version. Plus my grandmother told me that it was written by King James because he wanted a divorce from his wife but the Pope wouldn't grant it.]


You're thinking about the NKJV. This is the one that was commissioned by the king that wanted a divorce I believe. I think it was one of the King Henry's. Crazy kook either got the divorces he wanted or arranged the death and/or imprisonment of his wives so he could re-marry at will. The KJV is the original copy written and translated by Shakespeare, from the ancient greek and hebrew manuscripts. If not this, he may have translated it from an even earlier english translation (which was then translated from the original greek and hebrew) when english barely resembled what it is today. It's one of these two events. This is why it's considered the most accurate, a direct english translation from the originals and the standard for today despite being a relic from the 1300-1500's where fancy poetic language was the common english of those times.

At least, this is my understanding of where that notion came from. I might be wrong.

TimothyK, RR 90 Comments [8/28/2009 7:26:04 PM]
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Let's make a contest, who's worse in history?

8/29/2009 9:32:13 AM

Musicalbookworm

Yes, you are very wrong. That kind of historical illiteracy can only come from home schoolin'.

8/29/2009 10:10:49 AM

werewolf

The "fancy poetic language" came mostly from the Tynsdale Bible from which the King James version borrowed heavily. There were also other bibles the KJV used as sources such as the Wycliff, the Geneva, and the Bishop's.

Don't take it from me. Read up on it.

8/29/2009 10:30:42 AM

GodotIsWaiting4U

History fail. It was not translated by Shakespeare, since there is no evidence that Shakespeare knew any languages beyond English, Latin, and a smattering of a few other contemporary western European languages. King James commissioned the translation of the Bible based on certain manuscripts, and it was translated by a large team kept under strict guard. Furthermore, while the translation was great for its time, it is horrible by modern standards.

8/29/2009 10:33:59 AM

katie5000

@ Richard T and Nathan the Wise: Ahh, ok.

8/29/2009 10:53:13 AM

JDC1

Shakespeare was alive in 1611 when the KJV was first published, however,
Shakespeare had retired from writing by that time
There is no evidence that he had anything to do with the KJV.
Some of the language in KJV is common to the Elizabethan style of writing as one would expect.

8/29/2009 11:22:39 AM

moose

To pray, or not to pray, that is the question:
Whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer the fire and brimstone of hell,
Or to take faith and hope against a sea of sin,........

Yeah, Shakespear certainly wrote the KJV babble.

8/29/2009 11:27:29 AM

glass walker

Shakespeare wrote the KJV bible? I can see it now...

[Abel]: Whose tongue?

[Cain]: Yours, if you talk of tales, and so farewell.

[Abel]: What, with my tongue in your tail? nay come again, Good Cain; I am a gentleman.

8/29/2009 11:36:40 AM

Elphada

I might be wrong. That's an understatement. You may want to read a bit more about King James, the 1st of England and V1 of Scotland. Might want to try Henry V111.

Hell....I'm an American and know more about Henry, Shakespeare(Mr. Fancy Poetic Language. I'm assuming it's Shakespeare he's referring to) and James than good ole Timothy.


8/29/2009 11:55:08 AM

Old Viking

True befuddlement.

8/29/2009 12:48:18 PM

perdurabo

We're approaching the "Scheisskopf Radius"

HANG ON!!!!

8/29/2009 1:45:00 PM

Kat

I hope this is a poe, or we are in some serious trouble in the U.S.

At least he is open to the idea of being wrong, I just hope no one tells him he is right.

8/29/2009 5:02:43 PM

Zodiac

Shakespeare? This is worse than creationism.

8/29/2009 5:26:22 PM

Ken

So much failure. Ouch. It's like needles.

8/29/2009 6:36:50 PM

Song

Okau, maybe he got his facts wrong (I'm no biblical historian, so I have no idea) but this isn't actually very fundie-like behaviour at all. His grammar and spelling are fairly good, the post is coherent, and he seems fairly sane. What's the big deal?

8/29/2009 7:14:25 PM



@Song:

From the front page:

"An archive of the most hilarious, bizarre, ignorant, bigoted, and terrifying quotes from fundies all over the internet! The FSTDT archive is the largest collection of fundie quotes on the planet."

If you did know anything about the history of the KJV, you would see how bizarre and ignorant this is.

8/30/2009 3:13:44 AM

toothache

Yes, you are wrong. A cursory glance at any British history textbook will tell you so.

8/30/2009 6:13:59 AM

Mister Spak

"I might be wrong."

Heisenberg said it best: You are not right. You are not even wrong.

8/30/2009 6:20:42 AM

Matt125

Hardly surprising to find bullshit on Rapture Ready. The whole website strains under the weight of it. More and more is added every day, while they delete and ban posts from anyone trying to argue reason.

I don't know where to begin with this particular post. The claim that the NKJV was written by Henry VIII... the claim that the KJV was written by Shakespeare... the claim that Shakespeare lived in the 1300-1500s...

The ignorance is astounding, but not that new. The members are pig-ignorant about science, it makes sense that they are pig-ignorant about history too. These are the same people who think the world is 6000 years old and is about to end.

8/30/2009 10:27:40 AM

Thejebusfire

The KJV is the original copy written and translated by Shakespeare, from the ancient greek and hebrew manuscripts.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

8/30/2009 2:13:41 PM

FrndlyMisanthrpe

I'd love to see the bible as interpreted by Shakespeare. That might make me believe in a deity. :D Mercutio would have to be Jesus, though.

8/30/2009 2:17:10 PM

Song

"@Song:

From the front page:

"An archive of the most hilarious, bizarre, ignorant, bigoted, and terrifying quotes from fundies all over the internet! The FSTDT archive is the largest collection of fundie quotes on the planet."

If you did know anything about the history of the KJV, you would see how bizarre and ignorant this is."

Maybe, but his ignorance is really just not-knowing-history based, rather than specifically religious in nature, except for the thing he's getting wrong being about the Bible. Wrong? Yeah. Ignorant? Maybe. Fundamentally clinging to the vaguest and cruellest principles of his religion? No.

8/30/2009 4:03:16 PM

Nick

*history major's head explodes*

8/31/2009 1:08:03 AM

BrianX

Did this guy get anything right in this post? Anything at all? And did anyone call him out on it?

8/31/2009 1:17:13 AM



@Song:

Maybe he's ignorant?!?

There's no maybe about it. And the fact that he admits he may be wrong, yet he still promotes this ridiculous misinformation (when a basic Google search would correct this), only compounds his ignorance, and proves how intellectually lazy he is. A classic trait of fundamentalism.

BTW. Even though this is religious in nature, a person can still be a non-religious fundamentalist (eg: political, cultural, anti-science, homophobic).

8/31/2009 2:32:12 AM
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