The thing that has always been the most lacking in leftist/progressive philosophy is wisdom. That abortion can be contrived as compassionate, in the best interest of women, and as real progress for humanity, is evidence of both intellectual dishonesty and an immense detachment from wisdom.
The absence of wisdom explains why liberalism is attractive to young, inexperienced college-types and to older academic wannabes who refuse to challenge their attachment to moral adolescence. Abortion can be justified only by people who haven't come to terms with the spiritual depravity found in progressive philosophy.
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That abortion can be contrived as compassionate
Well, if the woman's life was in danger, then yes, it could be compassionate.
And that you are attributing those three claims to people who have never made any of them is evidence of your own intellectual dishonesty and lack of wisdom. We do not view abortion as compassionate, in a woman's best interests, or as progress for humanity; we are, however, compassionate enough to realize that it is up to the woman to decide what's in her best interests, which is in turn progress for humanity.
Check and mate.
It's interesting, from a British perspective, to see how in what passes for neocon thought liberalism=support for abortions. It isn''t that big a deal here, and is rightly thought of as a moral not a political question. Tony Blair is pro-life, in US terms, while Margaret Thatcher was pro-choice. In neither case did their personal views on the matter affect their politics; both allowed free votes on the issue.
It's a sad indictment of how US political discourse has been reduced to a (very short) list of kneejerk tropisms.
"That abortion can be contrived as compassionate, in the best interest of women, and as real progress for humanity, is evidence of both intellectual dishonesty and an immense detachment from wisdom."
No, intellectual dishonesty is when you call a parasitic clump of cells and tissue a baby.
The same goes for your implication that forcing a woman against her will to be an iuncubator might be in her best interest.
Even when you try to say it with bigger words and more flowery language than do many if your fundie compatriots, it's still stupid.
I'm a liberal and I don't care much for abortion on demand. So shut the fuck up, you don't know what you are talking about. It is scumbags and arsewipes like you who need re-education into something approaching wisdom, preferably with a lump of 3 by 2 behind the tool shed. Get stuffed.
"The absence of wisdom explains why liberalism is attractive to young, inexperienced college-types and to older academic wannabes who refuse to challenge their attachment to moral adolescence."
It never seems to tell them anything that all the worlds smartest people tend to be liberal.
"That abortion can be contrived as compassionate, in the best interest of women, and as real progress for humanity..."
could someone please tell me who actually said this?
The thing that has always been the most lacking in right wing/Christian philosophy is wisdom. That abortion can be contrived as baby murder, harmful to women, and a reason for divine punishment of humanity, is evidence of both intellectual dishonesty and an immense detachment from wisdom.
The absence of wisdom explains why conservatism is attractive to young, brainwashed fundietards and to older academic wannabes who refuse to challenge their attachment to ancient fairy tales. Abortion can be condemned only by people who haven't come to terms with the fact that there is no evidence of a divine ruler.
There, fixed.
So "compassion" is treating women like baby factories? Is forcing kids to be raised by parents who can't handle the job? Is protecting every single fetus until it comes out of the womb, at which point it can be fucked six ways to Sunday and you wouldn't give a damn?
Food for thought: the murder rate started dropping significantly at right about the point where the first wave of aborted fetuses would have been getting towards their later teens. Coincidence? I have my doubts.
Because young people can't possibly know -anything-. By the time you're in college you've had a chance to experience a lot of things and see other people go through things. No, not as much as older adults, but that doesn't mean you've never been challenged, be it mentally, emotionally or physically, that you've never done anything worthwhile, that you haven't honestly examined anything in any detail and come to your own conclusion about it.
(Yeah, I know that wasn't the point but I'm fucking sick of being told I'm worthless and have bad habits and can't possibly think for myself because I'm under some magic age.)
The problem with this post is that wisdom is only what YOU perceive it to be.
You are correct, it would be much wiser to have a whole shitload of unwanted children, coming to the age of maturity, in our inner cities right now. That would be good for everyone you fucking douchebag.
Funny. In the whole of that post you never actually make an argument that Conservatism is wise.
Antiquated maybe, but not WISE.
What d'you suppose happens when all that "Wisdom" in the Republican Party finally dies, and the party stops looking so old and white?
So, to summarise your argment:
Leftist philosophy lacks in wisdom because it disagrees with me. I think that abortion is always wrong regardless of the consequences, and for anybody else to think differently must be a detachment from wisdom.
Because of this, liberalism is attractive to people with an education, who I don't like because I'm a drunken hick who quit school at age 5 to throw bricks at Democrats. Blah blah blah I'm going to use the word "depravity" now.
Yours maniacally, some pretentious jerk.
That abortion can be contrived as compassionate, in the best interest of women, and as real progress for humanity, is evidence of both intellectual dishonesty and an immense detachment from wisdom.
The absence of wisdom explains why liberalism is attractive to young, inexperienced college-types and to older academic wannabes who refuse to challenge their attachment to moral adolescence.
Really? Because people like my dad were absolutely against abortain when they were younger-and then they got married and had three children of their own, and realized how hard caring for children was, let alone with a partner. And having two daughters, the idea of their own bodies being used against them to carry a baby they couldn't care for, or worst of all, because they were raped, was abhorent to him. So now he is open minded on the subject, and thinks "everyone should decide" that for themselves.
Conservative logic that "everything I'm against is wrong and true without room for gray or compromise" fails according to reality.
I will consider accepting the Right Wing "wisdom" regarding the banning abortion when the Right Wing makes every effort to ensure that every pregnancy is a wanted pregnancy. This means providing birth control freely to those who need it, regardless of social status, and offering to adopt any child carried full term by a mother who cannot keep it.
Until then, kindly shut the fuck up.
I have known at least two women who had to have an abortion of else they would have been mutilated or dead.
Apparently my not wanting my friends to die or have their insides destroyed is just me being immature.
Hmm, why do I not think of cons as serious thinkers again? The reasons escape me.
lvb-rocks is required to immediately submit a living donor card for anyone who needs a kidney transplant, partial liver donation, and bone marrow.
If a fetus can use a woman's body for sustaining it's life, we can use this dumbfuck's body to sustain a recipient's life.
He is scheduled, on pain of incarceration, to submit to tissue typing immediately.
"...who refuse to challenge their attachment to moral adolescence."
- Says a member of one of the gathering spots of fanatical Christian evangelicalism. You know evangelicals, right? The ones who love to say how they do not have to concern themselves with compassion or empathy because they are saved by grace and not works.
Personally I will take moral adolescence over the morality of an over-indulged toddler any day!
An abortion is the lesser of two bad things. Nobody wants to have an abortion, it's almost always a very difficult decision and many change their mind right before the procedure. Even in the best of conditions, with doctors all around, it can be fatal or damage the woman's reproduction for life. It's not something anyone enters into lightly.
Sadly, the anti-choice movement is, well, moving in Spain right now. They are very well educated and use feminist slogans against women's right to their own body, calling abortions chauvinistic, an invasion of women's rights. But the counter argument against "what about all the women who will die in back-alley abortions?" is still "the alternative is that the child, which is a human being, dies". No, it isn't; the embryo/fetus (not child, or we would hold funerals for miscarriages) dies in BOTH cases". We saw this on the news today, and even my husband, who usually dislikes when I comment on what's on TV, got riled up and shouted at the TV.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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