Nearly everyone who was accused of having ties to Communism by McCarthy did indeed have such ties. Educate yourself on Project Venona, and see that it proved, beyond ANY doubt that there were Soviet Agents working within the United States Government at the time. Of course, you know nothing about any of this. The Educrats and Marxist Professors who re-educated you never mentioned it, and besides, George Clooney said McCarthy was bad in his Goodnight, Good Luck film, so it has to be true, right? Your childish ridicule of those of us who oppose the ideology that INTENTIONALLY murdered between 100 MILLION and 200 MILLION of it's own people during the 20th century and had nuclear weapons aimed at American cities, has NO EFFECT anymore. WE ARE RIGHT, YOU ARE WRONG. END OF STORY. One last thing: Thanks for comparing me to the Great Joseph McCarthy. I take it as a compliment.
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How did that DP?
Anyway, I went and read some of that Moonbattery site. It fancies itself as a sort of mirror site to Right Wing Watch, but the only message you get from it is We Hate Everyone Who Isn't One Of Us. It reads rather like a convocation of sulky teenagers, complete with the obligatory use of 'funny' names for all percieved enemies. Yeah, that's really going to sway the middle ground and pull in more Republican votes in 2012.
McCarthy was to counter-intelligence what a snail is to the 100m sprint.
Edit: and Stalin was bad, but he didn't kill 100-200 million people. How do we know this? Because there'd be hardly anyone left in Russia if he had.
How many times do you have to repeat the same thing:
Believing that some of the tenets of Communist theory have merit, is not the same thing as supporting the old Soviet Union.
The Republican Party for, depending on the vantage point you want to take defined themselves as being "not those godless commies" from either the 1920's or the 1950's through the collapse of the Soviet Union. Quite frankly, this is the problem with the Republican Party today: now that they've been without someone to define themselves as "not," they're just basically searching for a real definition. And by aligning themselves with the Religious conservatives who had the biggest problem with the godless aspect of the communist POV, that's basically all they've got left.
McCarthyism was more communist like then the current goverment. They in fact can't see how limiting beliefs, banning different political ideaology and persecuting people for things they might do (under the flimsy evidence or historical trends) is a communist process.
McCarthy, his goons and the goverment that allowed this witchhunt were the enemies of freedom
"Thanks for comparing me to the Great Joseph McCarthy. I take it as a compliment."
You like being compared to a blustering alcoholic who used the communist witch hunt to save his faltering senatorial career? Here's a tip; don't try and humiliate the US army like your hero did when he discovered he had to escalate things in order to keep his audience.
"WE ARE RIGHT, YOU ARE WRONG. END OF STORY."
And if we don't agree, you'll throw a huge tantrum, got it.
Nearly everyone who was accused of having ties to Communism by McCarthy did indeed have such ties.
There's no law in the US against being a communist, and never was. The issue isn't whether someone was a "communist", but whether they had ties to the Soviet Union. And McCarthy didn't find shit about that.
"WE ARE RIGHT, YOU ARE WRONG. END OF STORY."
Time-saving tip: Make that your signature line on all forum posts and have a rubber stamp of this statement made for all your off-line correspondence. Then, you'd never need to write another word since this is all you have to say to "win" every argument (in your own mind) , no matter the subject.
And that attitude, my friends, is the very essence of fundyism.
Somebody had nuclear weapons aimed at American cities! OMG! Tell me it's not true. It's a good job that America is so righteous and wonderful that they didn't have any nuclear weapons of their own aimed at other countries, or a proven track record of actually using them.........Oh sorry, I seemed to have briefly visited fantasy world there. It's Ok, I'm back in reality again. Maybe the denizens of moonbattery would like to join me ?
McCarthy was a complete ass and I'm ashamed to come from the same state as him.
I've noticed that every time I see a phrase like "WE ARE RIGHT, YOU ARE WRONG. END OF STORY." it's always included in a lame, retarded or just plain wrong argument. I get similar results with "I calls 'em like I sees 'em" and "I just call a spade a spade."
I associate McCarthy and Stalin and Torquemada. they just seem to fit together so well. Except that McCarthy was ultimately unable to substantiate his claims and enede up being hauled over the coals bye US Senate. Even so, he acted as jusdge and jury and destroyed the lives of his immediate victims and hthis had a knowck-on effect on their families. He was an evil bastard.
Ok, what I don't get and what I see in this very post, is the cognitive dissonance one has to have to say "YAY JOE MCCARTHY!" for rooting out those godless heathen commie bastards and then saying in the same breath "BOO STALIN!" for killing those heathen commie bastards. Really, by your own "commies = evil enemy" how is it that it's bad when they kill each other off but fantastic when we kill or imprison them?
Hi Refuter of Liberal Vermin, if it's compliments you like, I've got some more for you, similar to the comparison of you with McCarthy. You are comparable to a psychopathic mental case. You are comparable to a rabid abomination. You are comparable to a barrel of festering slurry.
There you go, hope you enjoyed those comparisons too, there is really no need to thank me. Let me know if you want some more. It's my pleasure to provide them.
Cheers, Pule.
Sure, blacklisting people you don't like with the excuse of communism is a great way to run your country. Sorry, that stinks of tyranny, and I won't stand for it.
McCarthy said that Pete Seegar is a Communist.
Jonny cash said that Pete Seegar is one of the most patriotic Americans he has ever met.
McCarthy liked Jonny cash, thought he was a
good American.
A problem there?
@ Porky Pine
Read the FAQ.
Yes, VENONA did show that there were Soviet agents working in the US during the Cold War. However, if you think that the witch hunt of McCarthyism was the way to go about ratting them out, then you're a complete idiot. All they did was persecute a bunch of innocent people but AFIK they didn't find one Russian spy.
"Educate yourself on Project Venona, and see that it proved, beyond ANY doubt that there were Soviet Agents working within the United States Government at the time."
McCarthy was playing pin the tail on the donkey. So what if he was right a few times? If you accuse everyone of being a commie, you are bound to get a hit once in a while.
No, most of those McCarthy accused were innocent of Soviet involvement, but whoop-de-friggin-doo, you caught the Rosenbergs, good job.
What damage were these spies supposedly doing?
Telling the Russians where all the nukes pointed at their cities were? Cos they knew that already.
Disseminating Communist propaganda into America? Well some balance was probably good for America.
Catching spies was hardly a great achievement at the cost of much finger-pointing and naming of names.
Lucille Ball was a communist you know. There is no law agaisnt being a communist. Just because one is communist does not mean they want to overthrow the government.
WE ARE RIGHT, YOU ARE WRONG. END OF STORY.
What are you, seven?
@#1024101
"And it's CTSTDT not CSTDT."
Actually, it's CSTDT. Have a look for yourself.
Though I'm not sure why it isn't CTSTDT, it does seem odd to miss a letter out of the acronym.
I suppose the quote is 'fundie' in a broad sense, in that it could be called right-wing political fundamentalism, or McCarthyist fundamentalism, but usually by 'fundie' we mean a religious fundamentalist, and I can't see any mention of religion in this quote.
"that there were Soviet Agents working within the United States Government at the time"
We in the UK had better luck, with the 'Cambridge Five': Burgess, Philby, Maclean, Blunt, and Cairncross. I wonder why McCarthy couldn't find a single Soviet-controlled mole in Washington? And of course, when he resorted to trying to find such in the US military, that's when it (& his paranoia) blew up in his face - and rightly so. He became a political pariah after that - almost like a Communist
Ah, the irony is sweet indeed.
And yet, despite the best efforts of Joseph McCarthy and his House Unamerican Activities committee, the Communist Party of America still exists to this day. And with all the Federal and Constitutional laws at their disposal, no-one can even touch them. The irony is sweet II.
And the moral of this story is, kiddies: Never trust a right-winger.
"George Clooney said McCarthy was bad in his Goodnight, Good Luck film, so it has to be true, right?"
No, George Clooney used archival footage and transcripts to re-enact exactly what happened. Murrow made very few critical statements about McCarthy -- he used McCarthy's own statements against him.
"WE ARE RIGHT, YOU ARE WRONG. END OF STORY."
Wow, 'Refuter of Liberal Vermin,' you sure showed us. How could anybody stand against you and your mastery of the English language and/or caps lock button.
100 million? C'mon fuckin' guy.
@JDC1 -- well, everyone liked Johnny Cash. He was the second coming. Catch the initials?
@ Nathan the Wise: EXACTLY! That blog is a festering joke. The lead shit-for-brains there, Van Helsing, just blows everything out of proportion and brilliantly files everything into a good/bad dichotomy based on even the littlest political remark. It's almost self-parody the way the people on there act and think, you wonder if they have a modicum of happiness in their own lives. But probably nothing to get too worked up about, for if this is our opposition in the game of politics, I don't see a great Republican takeover anytime soon.
Of course, as pointed out in the Alternate History book "What If: America", the real irony is that Joseph McCarthy, might well have been a Communist "Mole" himself...
(The Scenario in which this event happens, ends up with McCarthy being posthumously awarded The Order Of The Red Banner for "Services Rendered" to the Soviet Union, by the KGB)
OF COURSE there were Soviet Agents working within the United States Government at the time! Didn't you have US agents working over there?
Everyone who wasn't to the right of the right-wing risked being branded a "Communist". That's how witch-hunts work, stupid. If you had had so many Communists in your country, you would have had a large Communist party in congress! You don't even have an influential Socialistic party, to my knowledge.
McCarthy was a douche! If you see that as a compliment, good for you.
From Wikipedia:
"On December 2, 1954, the Senate voted to censure Senator McCarthy by a vote of 67 to 22, making him one of the few senators ever to be disciplined in this fashion."
"President Eisenhower, free of McCarthy's political intimidation, quipped to his Cabinet that McCarthyism was now 'McCarthywasm.'" (Haha!)
Of course there were Soviet Agents in the US during the fifties, just as there were US Agents in Soviet. What's funny is that McCarthy didn't manage to find any real Russian Agents, only people with mildly Socialistic leanings, and people who's neighbor's dog's original owner had slight Socialistic leanings. If that is to have ties to Communism, then you are absolutely right.
Sure, Russia murdered 200 million of its own people. You do know that Russia has less than 200 million people today, don't you?
The US had about as many nuclear weapons aimed at Russian cities, and the US is the only country that has actually launched a nuclear weapon.
McCarthy was a paranoid, bullying terrorist. You're too insignificant to be compared to awful people like him.
Yes, he caught so many that, after falling in disgrace, he went to celebrate it to the pub. Please, if he was so convinced, why falling into alcoholism?
Confused?
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