When my wife (who is female) was pregnant with our first son (who is male), went downtown to a buy some baby clothes for him, she didn't at first notice that she was selecting clothes from the "gender neutral" section until a salesperson (male/female -- select all that apply) asked my wife (who is female) if she is going to raise our baby (who is male) to be "gender neutral". My wife (who is female), didn't understand the question and asked for clarification. When she received an answer, she promptly responded with, "You people are sick!" and dropped all the clothes on the floor and walked out.
I guess she's an androgynophobe and needs to go to re-education camp in a local public school.
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Hey, asshat, what about those parents who choose to let 'Gawd' surprise them instead of finding out the gender at an ultrasound??? Hmmmmm????? Wouldn't want a little boy to be dressed in pink and turn out to be a ghey now would ya?
My brain (which functions) is disgusted with you
How strange that you have to keep reassuring yourself about gender. You must be very insecure about your, and others' roles.
You should get help for this.
Your wife, whom I would certainly, and in no uncertain terms describe in unequivocal female terms, is a bitch that needs to be taught some manners and also helped with her terminal stupidity not to realise what she was about. I doubt it is safe to let her out alone.
If I were a baby, I would autoabort rather than be born to parents like you.
BTW, your prejudices ARE showing rather more than you might imagine.
I don't even believe this. I don't believe that there is actually a store that has clothing for "gender neutral" babies. And babies ARE kind of gender neutral in appearance, anyway, and they certainly don't give a damn what they are wearing. GAH. What an idiotic liar.
gender neutral baby clothes aren't exactly new, they're for something called "baby showers" which before the days of ultrasound were thrown before the gender of the child was known. So not only are y'all impolite bigots, you literally do not know the first thing about polite society.
I like that he has to keep reiterating that his wife is a female.
At one point we were looking at adopting and bought a lot of gender neutral stuff since we didn't know which gender kid we'd get. Adoption fell through and we wound up having a girl of our own. She wears quite a bit of clothing that's not specifically girl. But you know what, she's still female. The clothes don't change that.
Um... gender neutral in baby clothes mean it's appropriate for a boy or girl, not if the child will be reared gender neutral.
By the way, we can easily deduct that when you say "wife" you mean that she's female.
Since you don't state that you or your wife knew the gender of the baby before it was born, the sales person was right in telling you to get gender neutral clothing.
Why are you reading more into that can only mean you are a stupid fucking fundie.
Gender neutral baby clothes are for those people who want to buy gifts for baby showers etc. but they don't know what gender the baby is yet. They're usually white, green or yellow. Although I have to paraphrase Juno here: why does everyone think yellow is gender neutral?
I don't know that this woman told her husband but someone got the wrong end of the stick.
I'll probably raise my some-far-far-off-time-in-the-future children gender neutral at first. As a woman who loved softball and Barbie when she was little, I see no problem with not forcing a child into antiquated gender stereotypes and letting them decide for themselves what they enjoy wearing/playing with/want to be when they grow up.
Though my mother threw a hissy fit when I told her I’d get whatever’s cheapest as far as the basics of baby clothes go (onsies, full body suits, sleeping gowns, play clothing, etc) with my first kid and, if the second one was the opposite gender, then my daughter would just have to deal with blue baby clothes or my son with pink. Gender neutral stuff can be hard to find in the less expensive stores.
Wow, 1) We would assume your wife is female based on the fact she's your WIFE... perhaps she looks a little masculine? 2) She must either be an idiot, or there must be nothing odd about gender neutral clothes if she's picking them out 3) The salesperson just works at that store... insulting them gets you nowhere and 4) Your wife sounds like a rude bitch who needs to go to Kindergarten to learn her manners, and you just need to be isolated from society for being such a rude, idiotic, disrespectful prick
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Yeah, your wife is female. We get it. I can only guess that your wife is either not female and you are trying to insist she is, or you wish your wife weren't female. Unless you were trying to prove your point: you think genders define how people should act and must be made a big deal out of.
I was born before ultrasounds were common. My parents just went with the feeling that I was going to be a girl, so I wound up wearing lots of pre-purchased pink my first year.
I am quite male. Clothing colors don't define infants. They only panic and frustrate mental midgets.
What did people do before ultrasounds and they couldn't find out if it was a boy or a girl. I think baby showers were full of yellow/green clothes.
I have 3 kids. Ultrasound was available but we wanted to be surprised. There isn't much left in the world, with all the technology that you can be surprised with anymore. Our kids rooms were yellow with white curtains. I have two boys 20 and 17 and a girl 14. They are all well adjusted and I'm glad I didn't find out what gender they were.
So, clothes that can be worn by either gender are "sick"? Welp, I guess we should stop selling t-shirts, pants, hats, and all manner of clothes out huh?
Look, moron, there is a reason that Timmy Turner is such a pussy.
Seriously, the point of gender neutral is to reduce the case of you buying your kid the wrong gender of clothing (for the chance that you don't want to know, or there is a screw up)
@jc:
I spy a Java programmer.
How many times do you need to tell us your wife's got a vagina?
...You never told us YOU'VE got a dick, but I suppose I'll take acting like one as a clue.
As if a baby really knows its "gender".
Up until the 20th century, blue was the traditional color of virginity and associated with females. That's why in renaissance art we always see biblical women dressed in blue. Red and pink, on the other hand, were "manly" colors. The idea that there is some innate "male" and "female" colors, clothes, toys, etc. independent of culture is nonsense. Check out Rubens' pictures of his kids. Those kids in skirts are boys . And that was normal in those days.
What the fuck is a "androgynophobe?" A person who hates males and females? Also there is nothing wrong with gender neutral clothing for infants. If the fiancee and I have kids, then we will buy yellows and whites, that way we might be able to reuse them if we have another.
I'll admit, my two girls have an overabundance of pink clothes and "girly" toys. But they also have handmedown boy clothes from friends and family, and have "boy" toys like cars, trucks, blocks, and army men. They do "boy" activities like camping, fishing, and hiking, and my boyfriend is teaching them how to fight. Our views on it are, it doesn't matter if it's a "boy" or a "girl" activity, toy, or clothing item. If they're happy with it, and we're in the market for it anyway, or can afford it, they can have it. Because it's not the right gender is never a good reason to deny a child something.
Hey MK, you never said what sex you are. Just that of your wife (who is female) and kid (who is male....but unbeknownst to you a gay male.....). And just because your wife (who is female) is a female, that doesnt mean that she doesnt have a dick (that portrays a male) and acts like a male when the mail man (who is male, and like your son, gay) when she straps it on.
As a baby my son wore a lot of yellow and green "gender neutral" baby stuff, because I chose not to find out in advance if I was having a boy or a girl and thus bought a lot of things during my pregnancy that would work either way.
Wearing more ducks and frogs than cars, trains and teddy bears playing football for his first few months does not appear to have done him any harm.
When my wife (who is female) was pregnant with our first son (who is male), went downtown to a buy some baby clothes for him...
Hear, hear, a female wife and a male son. How exceptionally...
No, she's an untidy and rude individual given to flights of hissiness at the slightest of imagined slights with a thin-skinned, skittish personality who lacks the ability to deal with the world at large. With such a glaring lack of self-control and such obnoxious bad manners, she's going to be a mother? Let's hope the father makes up for the mother's short-comings.
So, not forcing your child to live within the confines of artificially-derived cultural expectations of "masculinity" or "femininity" is sick, but continuing to, say, buy a girl Barbie dolls when she's clearly more interested in her little brother's toy cars and Legos isn't?
As a former little-girl-bored-with-Barbie, I call bullshit.
I really found it hysterically funny that he had to point out his wife is female and his SON is male! Is that ridiculous, or what? Oh well, it is Moonbattery. I think the batteries need a recharge! LOL
Captain Awesome:
Gender-neutral parenting is a nascent trend in parenting, to not impose a gender on a child and let them pick.
Children have an extremely strong idea of who they are, and if they are free to express their gender identity without fear of parental repercussion, they don't 'explore' gender -- they find the shortest path towards the gender they want to be and launch themselves like cannonballs at it. 99% of the time, their mental gender matches their physical gender.
That other 1% of the time, though, when they don't match... if you're a parent to a transgendered child, being able to save them a literal lifetime of stress, self-hate, and medical worries will be worth all the odd looks and cruel gossip you suffer between birth and three years.
If this man and wife are not a POE (which I doubt), I pray their child is cisgendered. If their firstborn turned out to be their daughter, not their son, she'd face a rough childhood.
Holy overreaction. I hope whoever had to clean that pile of clothes up had the pleasure of kicking that lady in the shin first.
I've got a similar story, though.. My mother in law (who is fundie in her own right) was with me while I was shopping for my oldest girl (who was about 1.5 years old at the time). I saw an adorable pair of 102 dalmatian short alls that were navy blue with red stitching. I checked the size and grabbed them up. My monster in law looked at me funny and snapped "You're not going to buy those, are you? They're from the boys section!" Hell yeah I bought them, and they looked adorable with pigtails and a white t-shirt underneath. In fact, my youngest daughter still has (and wears) them on occasion.
@#1028613 captian awsome
"Gender neutral" baby clothes often come in shades of yellow, green, white, and will have more "neutral" themed designs like ducks, where as "feminine" baby clothes will be shades of pinks and purples. "Masculine" baby clothes suck up pretty much every earth tone.. deep reds, blues, grays, brown..
Yes, we know that your wife is female and we figured your going to have a boy when you said son, there was no need for the parethesis.
Your wife went to the store by herself?
Well, that was awfully nice of you to let her out of the house for once by herself.
Hmmmm....so pink is for girls and blue is for boys. Girls wear dresses and boys wear pants...unless you go back 100 years and then boys wear dresses too. Or 200 years when men wear wigs, blouses and heels...or....
Gender doesn't mean what you think it means. Ask a society with more than 2.
Just because your wife has a pair of boobies doesn't mean you need to tell us thirty times. The term wife is only applied to married women. And the term "son" is only applied to your male child.
until a salesperson (male/female -- select all that apply) asked my wife (who is female) if she is going to raise our baby (who is male) to be "gender neutral".
Why do you feel the need to tell me eveyone's gender? Is that really an important part of the story?
And what's with the "male/female -- select all that apply" bullshit? Were they an Hermaphodite or something?
When she received an answer, she promptly responded with, "You people are sick!" and dropped all the clothes on the floor and walked out.
When your wife arrived at home, did she throw out all the t-shirts, shorts, jeans, overalls, etc too?
The netural baby clothes are there for a reason. Some people don't want to know the gender of their baby before it's born, but that aside, it's nice to have baby clothes that aren't just blue or pink.
@Thejebusfire
The salesperson was probably a woman in short hair or wearing pants, which obviously makes her a dirty, cross-dressing freak, who eats babies and stomps on penises and votes Democrat.
Or, heaven forbid, a long-haired or otherwise faintly feminine man.
Funny, because my sister (who is Christian and female since that seems to matter) likes to buy good quality, gender neutral clothes so that she can reuse them child after child.
Some of the clothes went through 5 babies, and then off to a young family.
Although, I call bullshit on the story, I really doubt some salesperson is going to say such a thing, and I like the assumption that your wife didn't understand (because she is female).
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I don't understand what is fundie about this one, although I don't get the last sentence.
It doesn't seem to be the clothes that caused the offense, but the attitude of the salesperson, who frankly sounds alarming. What a weird question to ask a pregnant lady! Surely it's totally normal to buy neutral baby clothes? Sounds intrusive. Also, pregnant ladies can be very sensitive. OK maybe she over-reacted but I'm inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt here - she was being bothered when she didn't ask for any interference and it got on her wick.
Fair enough, IMO
MK is making the fuckwitted mistake of confusing "sex" with "gender". I'm fairly sure not absolutely everything about the wife and son is defined by biological sex. That, and all human babies look the same. It's human adults and society that starts with the pink vs. blue shit when its not really nescessary.
My son grew out of his small bicycle and I offered it to some acquaintances of mine for their daughter. They said no, and told me it was because the bike was black and not pink. So, the daughter had to go without the bike she desperately wanted, because my (free!) bike was the wrong color for her gender. Sigh.
Gender neutral? What is that? Gender is not in the clothes you wear, but in the mind you are born with.
When I was a baby I had brown and yellow and green and blue and red clothes. I still grew up to be a rather normal woman, married to a nice man. Green is my favourite color, so I just bought lots of green baby clothes for my new nephew.
Most wives are female, you dolt, and most sons are male. You might even say ALL, on both accounts.
So...it's sick to not drill into the boy's head that boys wear blue, play football, and beat the snot out of other boys? Letting the child decide for himself what his own preferences in this world are is sick? And it's unthinkable that the thought of not being able to control the way the brat thinks terrifies you?
I have a friend who has one-year-old twins. The boy is considerably larger than the girl, so he gets to wear clothes first, and when he out-grows them, she gets to wear them. I have seen pictures of him in lilac trousers and her in blue, sometimes with the comment that some neighbor thought that she was him and he was her. I have only seen them on pictures, but I can usually tell them apart from their faces and their sizes.
In my book, gender neutral clothes are onesies and trousers, non-gender neutral are skirts and dresses. A hundred years ago, all small children had dresses, though. My dad has an adorable picture of my grandfather when he was about three years old, with long blond hair and a knee-length dress.
Go to re-education camp in a local public school? My my^^
Also sounds like your wife is male right? And he is the woman and you the masculine part of the outfit.
Just an observation due to the bucket loads of insecurity washing over your scribbling.
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