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[Review of the book "DARWIN'S RACISTS - YESTERDAY, TODAY AND TOMORROW."]

DARWIN'S RACISTS - YESTERDAY, TODAY AND TOMORROW exposes the real Charles Darwin: a racist, a bigot and 1800's naturalist whose legacy is mass murder. This well written book shows that Adolf Hitler, along with other genocidal mass murderers, was influenced by Darwin's half-baked Theory of Evolution. This book exposes Darwin's Theory of Evolution for what it is: an elitist and racist dogma that has infiltrated our every area of culture thereby undermining sense and sensibility.

DARWIN'S RACISTS succinctly covers, among other revealing topics, who Darwin was, his impact on the human race, evolution and naturalism, agnosticism, creation, Charles Darwin's family and friends, Darwin's sickness, the eugenics nightmare, Darwin's racists, frauds, and fakes, atrocities, crimes against humanity, cloning and genetic engineering, and the impact of Darwin's thought on our rights and freedoms today. Thus, two conflicting and discordant worldviews are examined along with the history, theology and science that support them. Also examined are the differing impacts that creation vs. evolution have had on ethnic, racial and class distinctions in our society.


DARWIN'S RACISTS is written by Sharon Sebastian and Raymond G. Bohlin, Ph.D. Sharon Sebastian writes for film and television. Sharon questioned the ape to man chart at an early age and found no credible answers. Eventually, she found answers that the book reveals and the public must know. Bohlin holds a doctorate in Cell and Molecular Biology, is President of Probe Ministries, a Discovery Institute Fellow, and a graduate of the University of Illinois, The University of North Texas and the University of Dallas.

DARWIN'S RACISTS is recommended reading for everyone who cares about our culture and the future of our children and grandchildren.

Dr. Ted Baehr, movieguide.org 59 Comments [10/3/2009 12:47:08 AM]
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Nathan the Wise

Gah. Never come up with anything original, do they? There's neither sense or sensibility here, but plenty of pride and prejudice.

And how you get an apparently pukka degree in cell & molecular biology while believing this shit is beyond me.

10/3/2009 1:01:38 AM

skeptikmystic

Oh yes, unlike the good Christian people of his time, Darwin was totally racist. For instance he once stated:

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything."

Oh wait, that wasn't Darwin, that's a quote by Abraham Lincoln!!

10/3/2009 1:07:43 AM

Ketzu

And who cares what an asshole someone was, as long as his theories contributed a lot? I read once, that Newton used to be a real ass, but do we reject his ideas because of this? nooooo!

10/3/2009 1:14:15 AM



I think you give Darwin way to much credit.

10/3/2009 1:41:16 AM

aaa

Ted here is trying to rewrite history.

10/3/2009 1:56:58 AM

Kat

Okay, ethinic Western European people did try to use Darwinism as a "scientific" way of proving that whites were superior to all other races, but in fairness, they also used Christianity to prove it as well from a religious angle.

10/3/2009 2:10:35 AM

El Zorro

I haven't read the book being reviewed, but Baehrs litte screed doesn't make it appear like a well-balanced one.

10/3/2009 2:13:35 AM

arcturus

"DARWIN'S RACISTS is recommended reading for everyone who cares about our culture and the future of our children and grandchildren."

I don't give a fuck about your culture, and your children are your own responsibility.

10/3/2009 2:21:11 AM

rw23

It's lies like this which make me want to see the end of your particular sub-culture.

10/3/2009 2:43:15 AM

TB Tabby

Charles Darwin was an abolitionist who spoke highly of non-whites he associated with. Hitler was a creationist who believed he had a divine right to commit his atrocities, and Origin of the Species was outlawed in Nazi Germany. But the face remains, even if your claims weren't completely and uterrly false, it wouldn't matter. Scientific theories stand and fall based on their own merits, not the merits of ther person who proposed them. Even if Charles Darwin really was a horrible racist who endorsed slavery, and Hitler really was inspired by the theory of evolution to commit atrocities, that wouldn't change the face that the theory has more evidence supporting it than the theory of gravity.

10/3/2009 3:00:10 AM

gimmeabreak

Pot.
Kettle.
Black.
That is all.

10/3/2009 3:14:17 AM



Even if it were racist, which it isn't, that would in no way change the fact that it happens to be correct.

The whole book is one massive ad hominem, and I find it genuinely disgusting.

10/3/2009 3:42:16 AM

Philbert McAdamia

Dr. Teddy Bear?


Mmm, OK, I can buy that.

10/3/2009 3:49:48 AM

Orion

I'm sorry but reality does not conform to your moral sensibilities.

10/3/2009 4:00:07 AM

Haseri

Sounds like a well-researched, unbiased book that will give the whole story.

10/3/2009 4:41:02 AM

D Laurier

Note that the writers are associated with the discovery institute.

10/3/2009 4:45:08 AM

loser_sneeze

or perhaps racists grabbed onto and twisted the theories to suit their own prejudice.

Darwin's theory is not the only one used nor will it be the last. Some people just really want to prove their superiority. It's sick.

10/3/2009 6:01:04 AM

BobsOldSocks

When you can't refute the evidence, attack the man. Pathetic.

10/3/2009 6:13:17 AM

Canadiest

I can't take anyone seriously that confuses Eugenics (farm practices of breeding and weeding out the weak, practiced long before Darwin and applying to crops as well) with Darwinism.

A couple quote mines out of context is all they have to connect the concepts. If it was a Thesis it would fail

10/3/2009 6:56:43 AM

Clown

Ad hominems FTL!

10/3/2009 7:16:20 AM

Berny

My money is on Bohlin's PhD being from a diploma mill. There's no way that someone with a genuine doctorate in molecular biology could be that fucking ignorant of evolution.

10/3/2009 7:17:12 AM

Horsefeathers

"DARWIN'S RACISTS - YESTERDAY, TODAY AND TOMORROW exposes the real Charles Darwin: a racist, a bigot and 1800's naturalist whose legacy is mass murder."

By today's standards, damned near everyone who lived in the 1800s was a racist and a bigot. Darwin just happened to be less so.

And what him being a naturalist has to do with anything I can't quite figure out. I can only surmise you think the term "naturalist" is someone who worships nature, or something.

"This well written book shows that Adolf Hitler, along with other genocidal mass murderers, was influenced by Darwin's half-baked Theory of Evolution."

And Japan was hit by two atomic bombs, thus we should ban physics.

What someone does with a theory is no reflection on whether or no the theory is correct or whether it should be pursued, studied or taught.

Aside from that, Hitler banned Darwin's works and was not using or influenced by them. He was both using and influenced by Christianity though.

"This book exposes Darwin's Theory of Evolution for what it is: an elitist and racist dogma that has infiltrated our every area of culture thereby undermining sense and sensibility."

I fail to see how "species adapt over time" is either elitist or racist. Nor is it dogma as dogma tends to be unfounded bullshit passed along from "on high" by whoever happens to be in charge, generally to their own benefit.

"DARWIN'S RACISTS succinctly covers, among other revealing topics, who Darwin was, his impact on the human race, evolution and naturalism, agnosticism, creation, Charles Darwin's family and friends, Darwin's sickness, the eugenics nightmare, Darwin's racists, frauds, and fakes, atrocities, crimes against humanity, cloning and genetic engineering, and the impact of Darwin's thought on our rights and freedoms today."

I see almost nothing in there that Darwin or his ideas had any impact on. What little he can be connected to would appear to be far too intellectually complex for either the author or his target audience to comprehend so I have to assume that those sections amount to "science = BAD!!"

"Thus, two conflicting and discordant worldviews are examined along with the history, theology and science that support them."

You really don't want to go using theology to try to support, well, anything.

"Also examined are the differing impacts that creation vs. evolution have had on ethnic, racial and class distinctions in our society."

Let me guess. The conclusion is that creationists are being "oppressed" or "persecuted" because they believe the "truth" and everyone else is going to hell for not listening to them. Right?

"DARWIN'S RACISTS is written by Sharon Sebastian and Raymond G. Bohlin, Ph.D. Sharon Sebastian writes for film and television."

So you have a TV/film writer and a Discovery Institute goon discussing things they almost certainly know nothing about.

Why don't you guys just admit you're writing propaganda and be done with it?

"Sharon questioned the ape to man chart at an early age and found no credible answers."

Perhaps she should have read a real science book or asked someone in the field?

"Eventually, she found answers that the book reveals and the public must know."

You mean she rehashed centuries old arguments that were neither clever nor credible when they were first trotted out and have only gotten worse since.

"Bohlin holds a doctorate in Cell and Molecular Biology, is President of Probe Ministries, a Discovery Institute Fellow, and a graduate of the University of Illinois, The University of North Texas and the University of Dallas."

That's nice. However, if he really had anything credible he'd be publishing it in peer reviewed biology journals and not some over priced waste of paper.

Why do you fundies jump all over letters after someone's name? If the guy hasn't taught in 20 years or hasn't published a scientific paper in just as many or isn't currently working in the field then all the degrees in the world don't mean very much. Not only that, if their ideas don't stand up to scrutiny of their peers in their field it means even less. That's how science works.

"DARWIN'S RACISTS is recommended reading for everyone who cares about our culture and the future of our children and grandchildren."

Yeah, sure. I'll run right out and get a copy.

10/3/2009 7:21:39 AM

Doctor Whom

It doesn't dawn on this depraved bourgeois world that this is positively a sin against all reason; that it is criminal lunacy to keep on drilling a born half-ape until people think they have made a lawyer out of him, while millions of members of the highest culture-race must remain in entirely unworthy positions; that it is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator if His most gifted beings by the hundreds and hundreds of thousands are allowed to degenerate in the present proletarian morass, while Hottentots and Zulu Kaffirs are trained for intellectual professions.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 2

For someone supposedly influenced by atheism and evolution, Hitler sounded an awful lot like a theist creationist.

10/3/2009 7:36:02 AM

Song

Aside from the rest of the reasons why this post is wrong, discussed above, I'm surprised that no one mentioned the huge Godwin Ted here committed, automatically disqualifying him anyway.

10/3/2009 7:37:25 AM

Nihlum

Hitler enjoyed Darwins works so much (and all others promoting Evolution) that he banned them.


10/3/2009 8:09:24 AM
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