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[Re: Muslim prayer event at the Capitol]

I suspect that our founding fathers would be just as outraged at this event as we are. Yes, I mean the ones who amended the constitution to include freedom of religion. I bet they never imagined that world travel would skyrocket the way it has in the centuries since they lived. I don't think it occurred to them that there would be such an enormous (and fast growing!) population of people in the USA, most of whom also call themselves American, who worship what the Bible clearly identifies to be a false god. I think our founding fathers had in mind that freedom of religion pertained to your choice of whether to be a Mennonite or a Quaker or even a Catholic. I think they took completely for granted that this is and will always be a Christian nation, as it was when they founded it.

JPE, Rapture Ready 54 Comments [9/27/2009 3:00:12 PM]
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Treaty of Tripoli. NEXT!!

9/27/2009 3:07:28 PM

Doctor Whom

If you're going to appeal to the founding fathers without actually bothering to find out what they said, take a number and wait.

9/27/2009 3:07:34 PM

Xotan

It may cause you mental pain to know that Christians in Arabic-speaking countries call on your god as Allah. It means, literally, The God. That means they do not recognize any other god. And if you and they say there is only one god, the god of Abraham, then perforce it is the one and the same.

Note also that in the Maltese language (a semitic language spoken in a Christian European country) the word for god is ...Alla. They even use the Latin alphabet, so there can be no confusion.

Also, Read the Treaty of Tripoli, with particular reference to Article 11. It should open your eyes to how ignorant you are about your own country and its history.

It's hard not to despise the kind of willful stupidity that you are showing.

9/27/2009 3:26:19 PM

RavenWood

Treaty of Tripoli, BITCH!

9/27/2009 3:32:51 PM

Blackvoice

Well, that would be their fault anyway. Stop complaining.

9/27/2009 3:33:57 PM

atrasicarius

Uh huh. And I think if that's what they meant, they would have fucking SAID that, instead of saying that "As the United States is not in any way a Christian nation..."

9/27/2009 3:38:05 PM



Comments are as expected denouncing this, yet the rating is -1? o.0

9/27/2009 3:39:53 PM

Thinking Allowed

Congratulations JPE, you just called your god a false god. What are you going to do now?

9/27/2009 3:47:28 PM

Osiris

Except at the time there were quite a number of Jews living in America when it was founded. They wanted the country to be secular. Thomas Jefferson said the Constitution should not be ratified until it had a Bill of Rights that guaranteed unilateral religious freedom.

9/27/2009 3:49:04 PM

The Watcher

Why should those rights only be given to some religions, but not others?

9/27/2009 4:11:06 PM

iflurry

If you're done degrading the forward-thinking minds that founded your own country, perhaps you would care to explain why your system of government allows for the supreme law of the land to be amended and interpreted, yet after over 200 years nobody seems to have agreed with you?

Could it be that you are wrong?

9/27/2009 4:11:22 PM

David B.

I don't remember the bible mentioning Islam at all. Given that Islam arose 600 years after Christianity, and more than a thousand after Judaism, if it had I'd have a lot more respect for its accuracy.

9/27/2009 4:11:46 PM

The FBI is controlling your thoughts via your toaster

Here's God for you JPE.





Oh, and Treaty of Tripoli.

9/27/2009 4:15:01 PM

GodotIsWaiting4U

A) I think you're wrong on the "Mennonite/Quaker/Catholic" bit (and what do you mean "even" a Catholic? Catholicism is a legit Christian denomination).
B) Treaty of Tripoli, bitch.
C) Even if you're right, WHO GIVES A FUCK? If that's really what they thought when they wrote that statement, well that's just too bad for them, isn't it? They didn't bother to clarify.

9/27/2009 4:39:26 PM

Musicalbookworm

Many of our founding father's were Deists. Thomas Jefferson owned a Qu'ran. They were well aware of the existence of other religions.

9/27/2009 4:57:10 PM

Semi-Christian

"who worship what the Bible clearly identifies to be a false god." I can't get past this line. Allah = God. How the HELL is there a problem with slightly different interpretation with Muslims, and yet they are fine with Catholics, Mennonites (and I assume Anglican). Is there like some imaginary line saying that you can beleive what you want, but Jesus HAS to be the son of God or all hell breaks loose. Seriously?

9/27/2009 5:47:38 PM

John

I don't think it occurred to them that there would be such an enormous (and fast growing!) population of people in the USA, most of whom also call themselves American, who worship what the Bible clearly identifies to be a false god.

The Bible identifies no such thing. Muslims, Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc. all read the same OT and come up with their own interpretation of it. Christian fundamentalists like the RR bunch insist the Bible is "clear" and can only be interpreted the way they say it must.

9/27/2009 6:06:39 PM

Brenz

So you're acknowledging the impartiality of the Constitution while speculating "But if they'd only KNOWN they would have said it differently!"

Is that a step forward or backward from "This is a Christian nation"?

9/27/2009 6:25:11 PM

SleepNeed

I suspect that our founding fathers would be just as outraged at this event as we are.

I doubt it. Jefferson was a major supporter of the separation of church and state in the Bill of Rights.

Yes, I mean the ones who amended the constitution to include freedom of religion. I bet they never imagined that world travel would skyrocket the way it has in the centuries since they lived.

They knew about that Jews and Muslims existed. Jefferson owned a copy of the Koran himself.

I don't think it occurred to them that there would be such an enormous (and fast growing!) population of people in the USA, most of whom also call themselves American, who worship what the Bible clearly identifies to be a false god.

I think they would want America to be open to anybody, including us atheists.

I think our founding fathers had in mind that freedom of religion pertained to your choice of whether to be a Mennonite or a Quaker or even a Catholic. I think they took completely for granted that this is and will always be a Christian nation, as it was when they founded it.

See my previous point. Also as many here pointed out, the Treaty of Tripoli says in Article 11 the following:

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

9/27/2009 6:30:11 PM

Mrs. Antichrist

"Freedom of religion", not "freedom of Christian denominations".

9/27/2009 7:03:15 PM

Old Viking

What a dork! We were founded as a secular nation. That's whsat made us a unique. political entity.

9/27/2009 7:11:46 PM

Reverend Jeremiah

Or even a Catholic?!?!?! My god were those founding fathers taking a risk or what?!?!?!

9/27/2009 7:12:17 PM

Panz

Dipshit, they worship the same god you do

Can you stop bashing other religions till you understand them a bit, please

9/27/2009 7:44:36 PM

perdurabo

hey...batter..batter..batter..batter

SWING

and a miss.....

9/27/2009 8:12:04 PM

freako104

The treaty of Tripoli and first amendment disagree. And freedom of religion means all religions can be practiced. And since when has the Bible called the Abrahamic god false?

9/27/2009 8:59:01 PM
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