[In responce to Valiant Paladine:
Would you consider it right for a different person to use your body against your will?]
No. For that reason, a woman and a physician who rip the body of a fetal minor against his/her will should be locked in jail. *happyfaceclapping*
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Would you consider it right for a different person to use your body against your will?
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No
So at least you don´t consider it right for a different person to use your body against your will.
What about this solution then:
A surgeon removes the embryo from the womb without hurting or killing it during this process) and afterwards places it into a petri dish.
This way it doesn´t use the body of the mother against her will but also isn´t ripped against "his will".
Of course the embryo will die nevertheless because something like an artifical womb still has to be developed, but hey, nobody kills the embryo, it dies due to natural causes.
"No. For that reason, a woman and a physician who rip the body of a fetal minor against his/her will should be locked in jail. *happyfaceclapping*"
As soon as a clump of cells can give notice of its displeasure you let me know. Until then, the living, breathing, independently alive and conscious woman is the one who gets to make all the decisions.
If you want to give that degree of sentience to a clump of cells at any point between egg fertilization and birth, then couldn't that be flipped back to the woman as well, having her body against her will?
Yeah, I'll start an organization to defend the rights of tumors for they are removed and killed against their "will".
Idiot, small cell groups are alive, but don't have wills. And as a matter of fact, we're overpopulated, we don't need more people on the planet, especially if they will be unwanted.
@Eden: That argument doesn't work. I could theoretically force you out of your house, and let you die of exposure. Under your reasoning, I didn't kill you, natural causes did.
I think that far more important in these situations is the right of the mother to, you know, choose whether carrying a baby for a full nine months is what she really ought to be doing.
Right, lets get those Social Security numbers for fetuses. While we're at it, we can tax them, let them drive, and give them the vote. *eyeroll*
Hi, I'm a woman and I don't matter. Nope, not at all. I'm just a baby machine and if my Almighty Womb, the sole reason for my existence, is empty, I am nothing but a whore. It doesn't matter if being pregnant makes me feel like jumping off a bridge: it is teh magikal preshuss babby that you should be caring about. Don't mind me.
I went through the thread that this was on.
This guy is a nut job.
He says (on page 5 of the thread) that:
abortionist women and doctors = pederasts.
He mentions raping infants several times. And couldn't form a coherent thought if his life depeneded on it.
In short: an idiot to the nth degree without a shred of intelligence or humanity within him. I hope the other posters in the forum are right and he's a troll who's infiltrated the forums and not an atheist. I'd hate to think that an atheist could be so awful.
Right, lets get those Social Security numbers for fetuses. While we're at it, we can tax them, let them drive, and give them the vote. *eyeroll*
Or; For that reason: Someone who pulls your carcess of the pavement, transports, treats you to the hospital and saves your life should,,,,,?
Not like your able to express your will.
Abortions are requested by the impregnated subject
EDIT: Read the quote, wasn't aware that this particular nut claims to be an atheist. Thought it was just one more fundy nutjob.
He states his reasons in the following post:
I am antiabortion because I am an atheist - April 21, 2009, 04:45
Science has not demonstrated that an only inmaterial soul exists.
Really, brain is the only "soul" that exists.
A human brain is similar one day before delivery and the day after delivery.
Then, delivery should not be considered birthday anymore.
For that reason, a Fetal Civil Registration should be established and abortionist mothers should be sent to jail.
WARNING:
English is not my mother language.
Ok the brain is similar one day before delivery, how about one month after conception? Kinda, faulty reasoning for a self described atheist there.
"I am an atheist - April 21, 2009, 04:45"
This line makes me think it's a fundy troll masquerading as an atheist. Too similar to the fundies keeping track of the date and time they became "saved". What atheist marks down the date and time they decided to become an atheist?
Would you consider it right for a different person to use your body against your will.
No.
So you are saying that it's ok with you to force a woman to give birth to a child she doesn't want or can't afford just so you, an uninvoled 3rd party, won't be offended. I suppose it's would also be ok with you for someone to put a gun in your hand and force you to pull the trigger.
For that reason, a woman and a physician who rip the body of a fetal minor against his/her will
Under US law a fetus is not considered a person and therefore has no protections under the law. You are arguing from a position that doesn't exist outside of your delusion. most abortions are performed long before the fetus could be viable and 99& of late term abortions are performed only when the health of the mother is in jepordy. Either way it is not the place of you, your religion, of the government to decide what someone can or canot do with there own body
should be locked in jail.
Shoulda, coulda, woulda... There is not law that renders abortion illegal. Even if there were it would only serve to drive the practice underground and render it less safe rather than end the practice as you seem to be implying.
Happy... face... clapping.
You've just been talking about ripping the body of (what you at least consider to be) a human being, and you end it with a HAPPY FACE CLAPPING!?
What the hells is wrong with you people?
Equalist has a strong point on the I became an atheist on "April 21, 2009, 04:45"
Even though my faith kind of snapped at a specific point (I was praying and just realized that nobody was listening), I could not tell you the exact time and date that it happened. Also I didn't jump up and yell "Hallelujah! I'm an atheist!" In fact, I just went out and sat on the couch and thought "now what?"
Wow this guy is crazy. You should see the other stuff he says.
I am getting a kick outta reading this.
"If a man is jogging in a road and he finds abadoned newborn crying, which should be his civilized attitude?
a) To help that baby
b) To eat that baby with putatoes and salad"
The correct answer is C. Eat the baby with rice and sweet and sour sauce. Mmmm. Yummy! Baby tastes like chicken.
On a more serious note this appears to be a troll.
This guy calls for fetal registration and thinks that embryos should be protected and that women who have miscarriages should be subject to a criminal investigation. He also wants to ban private pregnancy tests and only have state-run pregnancy tests to prevent earlier abortions.
When someone calls him misogynist he says this:
""Misoginy" is a word often used to hide "mysandry" and "fetusphobia"."
EDIT: More insanity. This guy wants the death penalty for abortions and for pro-life countries to go to war with pro-choice countries and not only that but any country that doesnt register fetuses.
"I would promote, in an ideal world, not only death penality for abortionist women and doctors, but also a war against countries who refuse the implantation of the Fetal Civil Registration."
Except at the point that abortion is legal, the brain hasn't developed enough to even feel pain, let alone have any will or intention...
Unless you're talking about the woman's will... In which case, why would she go to an abortion clinic if she didn't want an abortion? >_>
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