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Geert Wilders has done it again. The leader of the far-right Freedom Party managed to make the Dutch headlines during the annual general political debate.

Wilders's newest proposal is to tax the Muslim headscarf. Any Muslim woman who wants to wear a headscarf would have to apply for a licence, and pay one thousand euros for the privilege. Wilders says the money raised would go toward women's emancipation programmes.

The rest of the Dutch parliament reacted to the proposal with disbelief. One after another, they asked Mr Wilders if this was a serious proposal. For instance, would he include other types of head covering in the tax? And how about orthodox Christian women who wear a headscarf quite similar to the Muslim version?

In reaction, Mr Wilders said he would actually prefer to ban the headscarf altogether, but that appeared to be legally impossible. He would not tax the Christian form of the headscarf, but he did not say how policy would make that distinction.

Mr Wilders has acquired a reputation for making shocking statements during general debates. Two years ago, he called for the banning the Muslim holy book, the Quran. Last year, he warned that Muslims were colonising the Netherlands. Last spring, he and his entire fraction walked out at the beginning of a debate.

Geert Wilders, Radio Netherlands Worldwide 45 Comments [10/1/2009 3:20:23 PM]
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Guy sounds pretty anti-fundy to me.

10/1/2009 3:49:42 PM

LDM

"Any Muslim woman who wants to wear a headscarf would have to apply for a licence, and pay one thousand euros for the privilege. Wilders says the money raised would go toward women's emancipation programmes."

Anyone else see the irony in this statement?

10/1/2009 4:41:35 PM

John Galt

Um, exactly what's racist about this? It may sound a bit stupid, but I don't see any reference to race here.

10/1/2009 4:48:32 PM

Ajax

How would you prove they're Muslim?

Police: Excuse me mam but you don't have your tax stamp on your headscarf.

Woman: Oh, no you see I'm not a Muslim. I just like the design. It's pretty.

Police: OK, sorry mam.

(Police officer walks off)

Woman (thinking): Allah be praised. That officer totally fell for it.

10/1/2009 7:30:04 PM

Orestes

@Ajax

I think in Wilders mind, if you are wearing a headscarf, and are brown, you are a Muslim.

Or even better, perhaps he will propose that every Muslim has to wear a symbol on their clothing to identify that they are Muslim.

Yes, I just Godwin'd the thread, I apologize.

10/1/2009 10:26:35 PM



Is Islam a "race"?

Don't get me wrong, Geert is being an asshat of the first order. But I was under this odd notion that Islam was a religion.

10/1/2009 11:55:01 PM

aaa

Geert, shut the fuck up.

10/2/2009 2:05:14 AM

Brain_In_A_Jar

Last spring, he and his entire fraction walked out at the beginning of a debate.

This reminds me of something, can't quite put my finger on it though...

10/2/2009 2:27:48 AM

Sanity

Hmmm, I actually think a religion tax would be an awesome idea.

You know, just like how everyone BUT churches already has to pay taxes. Tax the churches, make them charge an entry fee, that'll solve the religion problem

I'm only semi-joking.

10/2/2009 3:23:51 AM



Ok, he tried to shock, and he got it. I don't think he's serious.

10/2/2009 3:52:19 AM

LadyJafaria

@John Galt: On the surface it's more religionist than racist but it would likely be enforced in a racist way: Oh, that pale white woman in a headscarf is clearly an orthodox Christian, but that brown one over there's a Muslim, she has to pay the hijab tax.

(This seems more motivated by xenophobia in general than by whatever religion Wilders himself practices, so it's not really fodder for FSTDT either even though it's about religion.)

10/2/2009 7:07:58 AM

Dr. Novakaine

At least, judging by the reaction of the rest of the Dutch Parliament, this has a snowball's chance in Phoenix of passing.

10/2/2009 7:28:25 AM



Wilders is just like the BNP when they accuse Muslims of something: their true intentions always have to do with someone that isnt white in their eyes. Considering his previous racist remarks (Muslims/brown people taking over Europe etc), this belongs here, as he is indeed a racist.

10/2/2009 8:01:22 AM

Antichrist

So Muslim headscarf = bad, Christian headscarf = good? But they're similar looking?

Proof that racist idiots are not just an American problem.

10/2/2009 10:33:39 AM

Phed

"I think in Wilders mind, if you are wearing a headscarf, and are brown, you are a Muslim."

Bullshit. Whatever you feel or think about Wilders, he's clearly not a racist: he is close friends with Hirshi Ayaan (who's quite black) and Ehsam Jahmi (who's Iranian). Wilders (who himself likely part of Indonesian descent) has travelled the Mid East and knows quite a bit about Islam. More than most politically correct 'liberals' want people to know.

You know the kind of people who have no real problem with people demanding the most outrageous things such as not having to shake hands with people of the opposite sex, calling for the death of Jews or refusing to accept homosexuality. As long as those bigots are 'brown' that is.

His headscarftax proposal clearly wasn't a proposal to be taken literally - it's rhetoric - directed against a religion that actually imposed a tax (Jizya) on those of other faiths (Dhimmis).

""Any Muslim woman who wants to wear a headscarf would have to apply for a licence, and pay one thousand euros for the privilege. Wilders says the money raised would go toward women's emancipation programmes."

Actually I believe he proposed it be used for 'blijf van mijn lijf huizen'. Safe houses for women who suffer from abusive husbands / brother / uncles / fathers or loverboys. Guess what kind of women make up the majority of those safe houses?

The kind of women that are also likely to end up the victim of 'honour killing.'


10/2/2009 12:46:59 PM

Phed

"Wilders is just like the BNP when they accuse Muslims of something: their true intentions always have to do with someone that isnt white in their eyes. Considering his previous racist remarks (Muslims/brown people taking over Europe etc), this belongs here, as he is indeed a racist."

F*ck off. You're a liar. He never said a think about 'brown people'. And as I said, he actually has 'brown' people in his party, voting for him. In fact he is part 'brown' it seems (he has partly Indonesian roots).

You can agree of disagree with his tough stance on Islam but don't try to play the racism card.

10/2/2009 12:50:15 PM

Phed

Look here's another person who dislikes Islam because Muslims are brown:

http://inthefrozennorth.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/ayaan-hirsi-ali-first-post-article1.jpg

Oh, and in the back of this picture you can see one of Wilder's most fanatical supporter:

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/files/images/090605_wilders.jpg

Clearly she hates brown and black people too - because they are all Muslims.


Perhaps some people should remember it's Wilders who lives under 24/7 protection and has to sleep in a concrete prison - not his victims.

10/2/2009 12:56:00 PM

Assy

I'm black and I wonder what on Earth is wrong with this? One of his supporters is Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who by the way would probably in the best position to know if it is harmful or not. He is not racist.

10/2/2009 1:09:17 PM

Doubting Thomas

I agree with removing the tax-exempt status of churches. They should have to pay for the same police & fire protection that everyone else has to pay taxes for. And basically, they're a business. They tell people what they want to hear for a "donation," which they usually tell their followers that they need to give. Christian churches will say that you have to give 10%. TV preachers say to give all you possibly can to them.

And frankly, if some preachers are going to exhort their congregation to vote for this or that candidate or support this or that ballot initiative, or support this or that political idea, then they shouldn't have tax-exempt status since they then become political organizations.

10/2/2009 1:33:04 PM

Tolpuddle Martyr

A licence for headgear? Oh shit! I own a pork pie, a tribley and a broad - brimmed Akubra, if I moved to Denmark would I have to pay registration fees for all three? This is one of the most idiotic proposals I've ever heard of.

10/2/2009 4:02:31 PM

Lucilius

@Phed: Oh, yeah, some of his best friends are black people. Where have I heard that before?

And your "bigots get a pass so long as they're not explicitly racist" is flimsy even for a strawman.

I don't doubt that Wilders knew there was no hope of getting his proposal passed, but the Klansmen who call for the expulsion of non-whites and non-Christians know that's not going to happen either; inflammatory rhetoric is no less racist just because it's futile and stupid.

Naturally Wilders doesn't openly denounce "brown people." If he did, he'd be revealed for what he is. The fact that he gets any attention at all is due to his careful use of racial code words, as American racists could denounce "outsiders" and "troublemakers" as code for Jews and blacks. Not particularly subtle, but obviously enough to fool people no keener than you.

10/2/2009 5:32:24 PM



@Phed:

"Bullshit. Whatever you feel or think about Wilders, he's clearly not a racist: he is close friends with Hirshi Ayaan (who's quite black) and Ehsam Jahmi (who's Iranian). Wilders (who himself likely part of Indonesian descent) has travelled the Mid East and knows quite a bit about Islam. More than most politically correct 'liberals' want people to know....

F*ck off. You're a liar. He never said a think about 'brown people'. And as I said, he actually has 'brown' people in his party, voting for him. In fact he is part 'brown' it seems (he has partly Indonesian roots).

You can agree of disagree with his tough stance on Islam but don't try to play the racism card."

What total bullshit. Just because he knows and is friends with a couple of black and or brown people does not mean he is not a racist. Even the BNP boasts Jewish and Indian members and staff. Does that mean the BNP is not a racist or anti-Semitic party? Hell no! Fact is that this argument of Wilders focuses on headscarves and his reaction to the questions directed at him shows us his racist roots: nothing would be done against Christian headscarves, only Muslim headscarves. Why? Whichever way you look at it, xenophobic or racist, it's certainly nothing to do with equality or being secular. Wilders is Grade A dipshit. You think he knows a lot about Islam? That's like saying that an anti-Semite knows a lot about Judaism! Give me a break! Hitler or any of the KKK or white supremacist members knew and know nothing about Judaism, yet they attacked and continue to attack them whenever possible, based simply on them not being Christian. Wilders is continuing that legacy, however, since it is illegal to bash the Jews as he would like, he is picking on the Muslims. Just like the BNP, who themselves have admitted that the only reason they have switched to attacking Islam and Muslims is because it is frowned upon to say the same about Jews. Wilders is working from the same mindset.

"You know the kind of people who have no real problem with people demanding the most outrageous things such as not having to shake hands with people of the opposite sex, calling for the death of Jews or refusing to accept homosexuality. As long as those bigots are 'brown' that is."

And Wilders is in the same category as those people. He is no different.

"His headscarftax proposal clearly wasn't a proposal to be taken literally - it's rhetoric - directed against a religion that actually imposed a tax (Jizya) on those of other faiths (Dhimmis)."

Then again, imposing a tax on non-Christians and non-Christian clothing wouldnt be without any any historical precedent. The Christians imposed heavy taxes on Jews and Muslims for a very long time, just for being non-Christian. Want a nice starting point to read about all of that bullshit that non-scholar revisionists like Gisele Littman are now hurriedly projecting onto the Muslims so as to take away the historical truth about things like Jizya imposed by Christians? Read up on the Marrano.

"Actually I believe he proposed it be used for 'blijf van mijn lijf huizen'. Safe houses for women who suffer from abusive husbands / brother / uncles / fathers or loverboys. Guess what kind of women make up the majority of those safe houses?

The kind of women that are also likely to end up the victim of 'honour killing.'"

Ofcourse, because the others are too afraid to acutally do something about it. They stay with their men because according to their religion they cannot get a divorce for that. Ofcourse, no word on this from a racist/xenophobe/nazi like Wilders.

"Perhaps some people should remember it's Wilders who lives under 24/7 protection and has to sleep in a concrete prison - not his victims. "

If a Muslim had said and done the things Wilders had said and done, he too would be living in a concrete prison 24/7, and with good reason. However, Wilders the nazi is free to roam one of my favourite countries.

10/2/2009 5:55:59 PM



Yes, he's so equal!. First of all, he's all for equality but he's targeting muslim WOMEN not men. They're free to roam about. And why Orthodox Christians or Jews, Orthodox Jews, have more right to live without religious interference but not muslims?. Go figure.

10/3/2009 9:36:39 AM

Phed

Look dude. Wilders is part 'brown', he is close friends with Ayaan and Esam who are clearly not white, he married to a hungarian (also really not an 'arian' certainly not ethnically Dutch), he has people of colour supporting his party and he asked at least one personally (an ex Muslim from Iran) to run for his party and afaik he has never made a remark about race.

He is anti-Islam. Staunchly so.

And no muslim in my country is in need of police protection 24/7 not even the ones who called for the execution of gays or those that claim are women are whores and our democracy the work of Satan.

10/3/2009 12:48:59 PM

Phed

"Wilders is continuing that legacy, however, since it is illegal to bash the Jews as he would like, he is picking on the Muslims. Just like the BNP, who themselves have admitted that the only reason they have switched to attacking Islam and Muslims is because it is frowned upon to say the same about Jews. Wilders is working from the same mindset."

The guy is a total fan of the Jewish State of Israel. You're talking utter nonsense.

The things wilders is saying about Islam routinely are said here about christianity without much eye brow raising.

10/3/2009 12:56:21 PM
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