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I Feel That I Was in the Generation Which Saw the Change

The answer to "why" do women dress provocatively?

My conclusion:

WOMEN'S LIB + THE BIRTH CONTROL PILL

Women's Lib came along in the sixties and taught women that to have sex outside of marriage and use birth control was their right. Women should be able to enjoy what men have always enjoyed (now that the pill was on the market).

Trouble is: The cost of behaving "loosely" is no self-respect at all. This is the complete opposite of what women's lib wanted for women. They wanted women to have respect, and the same enjoyment of sex without ties or commitment, but instead, we now have women who dress in such a way, that they are not respected at all. They sell the view of their bodies' for love and closeness.

IT WAS ALL A LIE. Women's Lib singlehandedly drove scores of women to have less respect for themselves, and to be respected as OBJECTS instead of for the talents they have. This was the exact opposite outcome that Women's Lib wanted. They wanted MORE respect for women

Trouble is, you sell your soul for sexual pleasure, and you get no respect at all from men. I guess the ideal for women's libbers is to leave men out of the equation entirely, IYKWIM?

Thank you women's lib and Margaret Sanger for your birth control pill. NOT. You have degraded women and we have you to thank.

IT WAS ALL A LIE. And you know who is the father of lies.

That's my opinion.


futurehope, Rapture Ready 51 Comments [10/27/2009 12:33:07 AM]
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agentCDE

Yes, we should go back to the Fifties, when every woman could aspire to be a "respected" personal chef and maid for her husband.

10/27/2009 12:39:15 AM

Wehpudicabok

oh noes, not societal change

10/27/2009 12:48:27 AM

aaa

Yawn. Just another submissive cunt.

10/27/2009 1:07:01 AM

Semi-Christian

I second aaa's yawn.

10/27/2009 1:35:39 AM

Malkyrian

I love that "father of lies" bit. Clearly, anyone who has ever lied about anything ("lying" being translated here as "WAAH I DON'T WANNA THINK ABOUT THAT") was working for Satan.

And a little news flash for you: Prostitution is called the world's oldest profession for a reason. Of course, that contradicts your entire point, so obviously I must be lying! It's so clearly only 40 years old, of course!

10/27/2009 1:42:15 AM

Tolpuddle Martyr

Yep, being sexy is far less horrible and degrading than being a full time domestic slave and part - time sex slave.

10/27/2009 1:46:53 AM

Miykael Poly

I think "IT WAS ALL A LIE." rather sums this post up nicely...

10/27/2009 1:48:28 AM

RPJ

"IT WAS ALL A LIE. Women's Lib singlehandedly drove scores of women to have less respect for themselves, and to be respected as OBJECTS instead of for the talents they have. This was the exact opposite outcome that Women's Lib wanted. They wanted MORE respect for women "

My, how familiar that sounds...I'm know this type of thinking.

A woman would argue that she does indeed respect herself. But nothing can ever convince futurehope of that, because he believes that his opinion is absolute. While a normal person would disapprove, and wonder HOW she could respect herself, they would accept the fact that she DOES...but futurehope, I'm certain, would insist that she is wrong or deluded. If she doesn't back down, then he will say that she is in the wrong for respecting herself despite her dress; her own opinions of herself are only valid if they are the same as his. Nothing will change that he believes his opinion is immutable fact, and that what anyone else believes, even about themselves, is wrong if in conflict with his own sight.

Arguing with this sort of person is, by definition, futile. The only response is to shut them out =/

10/27/2009 1:56:26 AM



Women should be able to enjoy what men have always enjoyed

Are you saying men are allowed to have sex with anything that comes along? I thought that went against your religion...

10/27/2009 2:51:49 AM

Clown

Males trying to attract females and vice versa is natural part of life. Looks are a big chunk of it. That is all.

P.S. The rest of the post is mysoginistic bullshit.

10/27/2009 2:56:51 AM

Titania

And just what where men always enjoying and what gender did they enjoy it with? Sounds like futurehope has a double standard.

10/27/2009 3:10:26 AM

LDM

If you feel degraded (or threatened if you're a man) because other women have chosen to take control of their lives, that's your problem. I feel very comfortable about who I am and where I'm at as a woman, and get plenty of respect from my male family members, friends and coworkers, as do most of the women I know who get out there and at least try to make something of themselves.

Some may say I dress modestly now (even though I rarely wear skirts), but I prefer to call it comfortable. When I was younger I used to "show off the goods" all the time, thought nowadays I don't quite have the goods I used to have to show off. I make no apologies for it, I was never taught to hate my body like these fundie women are, just the opposite. And I don't deny that I was flattered by the attention I got from men.

I'd feel much more degraded if I was forced into some frumpy dress and had to spend my entire adult life cooking, cleaning and spreading 'em for some man.

10/27/2009 3:30:22 AM

EvoPagan

By dressing provocatively, he/she means wearing shorts that come above the knee and sleeveless tops.

Guess what, futuretard? Some of us like looking nice, and we don't feel a bit degraded.

10/27/2009 3:36:50 AM

Wandering Discordian

I kinda like this one, actually. It started out meh, with just a misunderstanding of the issues based on a kernel of truth and progressed into oversimplification and scapegoating. Then out of nowhere, wham, Satan! It made me giggle.

10/27/2009 4:09:03 AM

Atheismo

"And you know who is the father of lies."

No, no I don't. But I know who the mother of invention is.

10/27/2009 4:26:44 AM

Nowonmai

Yanno, there was a time if a woman showed her wrists, or her ankles it was 'provocative'. Since that is your mind set, why don't you just trundle your sorry ass back to the dark ages, ok?

10/27/2009 4:29:16 AM

Mister Spak

You are full of shit.

That's my opinion.

10/27/2009 4:55:41 AM

Evil Pirate Captain Mel

I beg to differ. It was my mother who singlehandedly drove me to hate myself and despise the way I looked. My mother, btw, is a militant christian. I do love my mom, but the way she and my dad (who I now feel is not as christian as he wants others to believe) raised me was detrimental to my mental well-being. But it is one of the many reasons I am an atheist now.

So in conclusion, FUCK YOU.

10/27/2009 5:01:14 AM



Hate to break it to you, but studies have shown that the rate of premarital sex has been pretty much the same as it is today as far back as the 1930s, and the figures only go back that far because we don't have many people old enough to have been sexually active earlier than that to interview about their sexual histories. People just didn't talk about it then like they do now, especially women, because, of course, the women would be permanently branded as whores, while the men were just "sowing their wild oats". Just because they didn't show people having premarital sex in old movies, doesn't mean they weren't doing it.

When Margaret Sanger opened up her first birth control clinic in New York, it wasn't promiscuous single women who were stampeding to get help, it was MARRIED women, lined up around the block. They'd previously had no say in how many kids they had, and commonly had to risk their lives and health to have a child every year in times when mortality in childbirth was sky high and they couldn't afford to feed the ones they already had. Before the pill, when single women got pregnant, they were either disgraced and shunned, had to disappear to have their babies and then give them away, or resort to back-alley abortions which could kill them, like a woman in my family, who died from one in the 1940s. So you're damn right atbout ONE thing. THANK YOU Margaret Sanger. She was a hero. Her goal was to help women gain control of their lives, futures, bodies, health, and economic security, not to promote "sex without ties or commitment", even though that IS what men have had for thousands of years.

And women's Lib wasn't about sex. It was about respect, equal opportunity, and economic independence, so we could have choices other than housewife, nurse, teacher, and secretary.

So you're old enough to remember and liked things the way they were? Just keep it to yourself while the rest of us get on with our lives.

10/27/2009 5:02:13 AM

mika

The original RR Thread is full of these gems

10/27/2009 5:15:48 AM

observiNG

And you know who is the father of lies.

Ummm... Dubya? I don't get it.

10/27/2009 5:30:10 AM

Cabraxas

Women's Lib came along in the sixties and taught women that to have sex outside of marriage and use birth control was their right. Women should be able to enjoy what men have always enjoyed (now that the pill was on the market).

And just who were the men enjoying all this sex outside of marriage WITH?

Misogynistic twit

10/27/2009 5:34:54 AM

Hirsute_Nailbomb

so birth control=satan now? um, what?
oh, and another thing, i'll bet you dollars to doughnuts this asshat is a guy.

10/27/2009 6:00:53 AM

The L

Funny. I'm a liberated woman, and proud. I have access to various methods of birth control.

And I am not promiscuous, nor am I lacking self-respect. In fact, the other half is perfectly happy with the idea of me being the breadwinner (the HORROR!), so long as one of us is home at all times to look after the children. (I don't mean, one working and one unemployed, either. I mean our work hours won't overlap if we can help it.)

I am proud of my mathematical ability, and I want to use it to the fullest by being a college professor. There is nothing wrong with that. If I didn't respect myself, I would probably flip burgers and forget about going to college. If I saw myself as an object, well, let's face it--with a body like this, I could be a porn star. Better pay than teaching, sure, but I wouldn't want that job.

10/27/2009 6:08:24 AM

Zoo

"use birth control was their right"

So I don't have the right to not have cramps three weeks every month and bleed enough for four women? I don't have the right to control what happens to my own body?

"Trouble is: The cost of behaving "loosely" is no self-respect at all. This is the complete opposite of what women's lib wanted for women. They wanted women to have respect, and the same enjoyment of sex without ties or commitment, but instead, we now have women who dress in such a way, that they are not respected at all. They sell the view of their bodies' for love and closeness."

So because a few women dress so poorly they lose respect, all women are like that? Please.

10/27/2009 6:15:22 AM
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