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(At the end of an article teaching kids the 'truth' about the Civil War. So, this website is trying to incite children to start another civil war when they grow up?)

But now the government has become a vehicle for social change. Instead of individuals using education, the free market, and dialogue to elevate people from poverty and correct injustice, the government was now viewed as the instrument of change, whether it was addressing racial injustice, saving the whales, stopping global warming, access to abortion, fighting AIDS, or the war on drugs.

Today America is at a political cross-roads as unlike any time since the election of 1860. We can choose to follow the liberals into a totally socialistic state like those found in Europe or we can fight for the conservative values of individual freedom and liberty with less government interference in our lives.

The choice is ours, for now.

Burt Knoyes, Conservativekids.net 45 Comments [10/24/2009 8:02:49 PM]
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The WHHAAAMMMM Burglar

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10/24/2009 12:41:18 AM

dpareja

And they accuse atheists/gays/liberals of brainwashing?

10/24/2009 8:05:04 PM

Porter

This is some scary shit right here.

10/24/2009 8:06:59 PM

werewolf

Historically, government has always been an instrument of social change. That's one of the things it's for. Whether such change is good or bad depends on its citizenry.

Wasn't this covered in the intro freshman class of Political Science?

10/24/2009 9:16:13 PM

Her3tiK

@werewolf "Wasn't this covered in the intro freshman class of Political Science?"

Who gets a PoliSci class anymore? I was barely told what the branches of government were, and I graduated HS 2yrs ago.

10/24/2009 9:58:33 PM

iflurry

Until education began to be provided publicly as a right for young citizens, only the wealthy were educated, and the free market made very few people wealthy. Most of the dialogue of the time was about correcting that.

But what would I know? I happen to think a country that doesn't declare war at random and provides for all its citizens would be a nice place to live...

10/24/2009 10:16:25 PM

Mudak

What I don't get is how they can honestly regard the government as only now being a vehicle for social change. What's it been these past 220 years?

I'm torn with where the right place to start in terms of that. Washington's administration was by definition social change in that it was the first time since we'd declared our independence from England where we had a central power. Just look up the Whiskey Rebellion and Shay's Rebellion...

Jefferson bought an area of land that was about the same size as the then-current country. In the ensuing years, the government more or less encouraged people to explore the lands to the west, damn the consequence.

Jackson overhauled the economy and wiped out all of the Indians.

I could go on... Let's not overlook the fact that every war we fought was in some manner an instrument for change. Every single one of them.

10/24/2009 10:25:35 PM

Orion

"Today America is at a political cross-roads as unlike any time since the election of 1860."

Bullshit. What about the world wars and the turmoil of the 70's?

10/24/2009 11:28:53 PM

CF

What do these people have against Europe?

I've been there. It's... it's kinda nice.

10/24/2009 11:32:11 PM

Freethink

By all means, less government in our lives. Let's see... Social Security, who needs it? Let the seniors work til they drop dead, and the disabled can live on the streets or in poor houses "Happy Dickens".

Let's stop Medicare and Medicaid; "if you get sick, die quickly". Food stamps; why worry about your next-door neighbor or impoverished people or their children starving? Oh, schools, libraries, let's forget about them. Who wants a bunch of "edumacated" citizens, anyway? Police, Fire Dept. "fageddaboudit"!

Infrastructures, roads, highways? Let them crumble; dirt roads were good enough before, and wooden bridges or boats can go across water.

Yes, wouldn't we all be better off with the government out of our lives?

In case of the terminal stupids, that may visit this site (you know who), this is meant as a totally snarky comment. Burt Noyes ("Noise"? )That could fit, too, is a blithering idiot.

10/24/2009 11:49:42 PM

aaa

Meanwhile, Over here in Europe...

We get shit done.

10/25/2009 12:48:31 AM

Pickle

God, I wish I lived in "socialist" Europe.

10/25/2009 12:58:51 AM

Clown

@Freethink: You said most of the points I was willing to make. Bravo.

10/25/2009 2:36:15 AM



Yeah, because those totally socialistic states like those found in Europe are sooooooooooooooooooo terrible. I know, because I live in one. I... I've said to much. I'd better go before they send me to the gula-

10/25/2009 2:59:04 AM

Nathan the Wise

So, who is likely to be better at running things for the benefit of citizens, an elected government or some cartel of multi-national corporations?

Free market, my arse.

10/25/2009 3:06:17 AM

WWWWolf

> But now the government has become a vehicle for social change. Instead of individuals using education, the free market, and dialogue to elevate people from poverty and correct injustice, the government was now viewed as the instrument of change, whether it was addressing racial injustice, saving the whales, stopping global warming, access to abortion, fighting AIDS, or the war on drugs.

Yeah, what was that old nonsense again? "Government of the people, by the people, for the people"... it's as if some people were saying that the raison d'etre of governments was to serve people. Good grief, I believe I've stuck a gold vein here!

Aaaah! My eyes! Damn, this was blindingly obvious.

What the heck is the government supposed to do if not be an organised way for people to change the societal structure for the demands of the day?

And when was the last time you saw "individuals" using "education, the free market, and dialogue to elevate people from poverty and correct injustice"? I'm taking a not-so-huge leap of logic and guess that what you witnessed was not exactly a common occurrence. Individuals are lazy greedy bastards who get nothing done.

> Today America is at a political cross-roads as unlike any time since the election of 1860. We can choose to follow the liberals into a totally socialistic state like those found in Europe or we can fight for the conservative values of individual freedom and liberty with less government interference in our lives.

Yet, for some reason we Europeans are doing mighty fine, thank you for asking, and we generally don't need to ask each other whether we need to start up a frigging civil war or not. If there's a problem, we usually recognise there's a democratic process to solve that problem, and there's no need to lynch the politicians responsible and demand the problems fixed at gunpoint - you know, like how certain people are advocating the problems to be solved like, in allegedly democratic countries, not naming any names here.

10/25/2009 3:23:56 AM



freedom and liberty? Bullshit, you want to limit peoples freedoms because they believe differently than you, fuck you asshole.

10/25/2009 3:40:11 AM

Professor M

addressing racial injustice, saving the whales, stopping global warming, access to abortion, fighting AIDS

...which are all things that "the market" has shown it sucks at doing. What is the appropriate role of government if not to encourage good and/or necessary for survival things that the private sector hasn't done a good job providing?

(Not that the government was much good with AIDS, either -- I'm not clear whether Reagan and Bush actually gained sexual pleasure from promoting the suffering and death of gay men, or whether they were just gaining political points with people who do.)

10/25/2009 4:13:41 AM

WMDKitty

I bet this site is based in the South.

10/25/2009 4:51:33 AM

CailinBan

Since the fall of the USSR there have been no 'totally socialistic' states in Europe. Western Europe was never 'totally socialistic'.

Yes, we have more social welfare than the U.S. But guess what a) we like that. It gives us security, and b) we STILL have a high standard of living.


10/25/2009 4:52:36 AM

EvoPagan

Judging by the results of the last election, I'd say the choice is no longer in your hands, Burt.

And I find it quite hilarious that you're talking about dialogue and education, when you're against any education other than "goddidit" and you'd like to outlaw any "dialogue" that isn't quoting from your skanky-ass "holy" book.

10/25/2009 5:30:43 AM

Giveitaday

We can choose to follow the liberals into a totally socialistic state like those found in Europe

You mean the socialistic countries in which health care is a human right and not a privledge to be enjoyed only by those who can afford it?

or we can fight for the conservative values of individual freedom and liberty with less government interference in our lives.

That's all well and good but the people who call themselves "conservatives", the people you have championed as the greatest of your party have done nothing to advance liberty or lessen government interference. In fact they have done quite the opposite, the leaders of the so-called "conservatives" have or sought to curtail the the privacy, freedoms of speech, association, and opinion, the rights to unlawful search and seizure, hæbeus corpus, and cruel & unusual punishment of every single american.

Don't go spouting shit about how conservatism is all about the ideals of freedom until you can hold your leaders, your party elders to the standards that they claim to repesent.

10/25/2009 6:29:27 AM

campbunny

The destruction of whales, the worsening of global warming and the spread of AIDS are very much in the best interests of certain "captains of industry."

10/25/2009 7:19:37 AM

Kat

Well lets see here. Teach and influence kids to start a rebellion instead of foolhardedly doing it yourself. Then if it was successful, take all the credit for yourself.

10/25/2009 8:01:21 AM



"We can choose to follow the liberals into a totally socialistic state like those found in Europe"
Sounds good to me, where do I sign up?

10/25/2009 8:05:45 AM
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