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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that 99% of gays are ideologically opposed to the military. And not only do they believe the military to be evil, wouldn't you also say the military doesn't fit into the carefully crafted stereotypes that GAYS have made up about themselves?

1. They tend to be extremely fashion conscious. (Don't deny it, you know it's true.) So how many gays do you know that would want to wear dark green in the spring, or wear their desert whites in the winter?
2. They tend to be lovers of fine cuisine. With that in mind, how excited would most gays be when they open their army ration kit and find out that stale crackers is what they will be eating, and that it will be washed down with a dirty canteen full of rain water?
3. They are more emotionally connected than most. Do you think they will like their Drill Sergeant screaming in their face while being forced to scrub a bathroom floor with a toothbrush?
Folks, the vast majority of gays have no desire to join the military in the first place, which is why this issue will never go away. If President Obama actually ended the "don't ask, don't tell" policy, then gays would move on to their next issue, but if this issue continues to exist, it serves as a distraction from the issue gays really care about; gay marriage.

But let me tell you another reason that Obama will NEVER give gays this issue; because the straight people in the military would have a fit. And would you blame them? Think about it for just a second. How many of you ladies out there would want to change clothes and shower in front of strange men? How many of you men would want to have to strip down in front of women who aren't your wife? Perverts aside, no one would. Which is why no man would want to shower in the same room with men who were openly gay, and the same would go for women. Simply put, it would be a HUGE distraction, and I'm guessing that people who are about to put their lives at risk need as few distractions as possible.

Here's the HardTruth.

Obama has zero intention of giving gays what they want because he knows the public doesn't want him to. Don't get me wrong, I believe if Obama had his way he would give gays more than want they want. He would probably make it illegal to criticize them if he could, but I can thankfully say, he can't. As he as shown time and again, he can't do anything, which is great for the country, but bad for those who see him as their savior, and that's the HardTruth.

Pastor Tom Estes, Hard Truth 51 Comments [10/27/2009 12:19:07 PM]
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sithyeti

This is so full of fail I wouldn't know where to start.

10/27/2009 12:30:19 PM

Yuki

Except, not all gay people care totally about fashion, and there ARE gay people in the military as we speak.

Not to mention the majority of people have said they want gays to be able to serve in the military...

10/27/2009 12:31:06 PM

Zeus Almighty

The Sacred Band of Thebes and ancient Sparta would both love to bitch slap you so hard you'll have to chew your food with your ass.

10/27/2009 12:38:48 PM

Zeus Almighty

Sorry, dbl post ...

10/27/2009 12:40:44 PM



So, they hate so much the military that, NEVERTHELESS, they are fighting their right to join it. Hard truth indeed.

10/27/2009 12:44:05 PM

Doctor Whom

I take it you've never met any gay people, with the possible exception of the "ex-gay" who charges your church a whopping speaker's fee. Also, as for this:

Don't get me wrong, I believe if Obama had his way he would give gays more than want they want.

I have two little words: If only!

10/27/2009 12:48:14 PM

ShadetheDruid

Ah, good to see good ol' Pastor Tom Estes making his way onto FSTDT.

His HardTruth blog has since shut down, as the good pastor got bored of posting - instead of getting agreement from fellow fundies or converts to creationism, he instead got a barrage of non-creationists pointing out his lies, misrepresentations and bigotry.

Of course, he never admitted any of that (including the minor stuff that didn't challenge his beliefs in the slightest), even when the facts were sitting right in front of his face.

10/27/2009 12:48:28 PM

Totenkopf

Oh no, I'm a pervert:(

10/27/2009 12:49:28 PM

Hertzyscowicz

Pastor Tom owes me a new forehead and desk.

10/27/2009 12:52:19 PM



So... much... fail...

> So how many gays do you know that would want to wear dark green in the spring, or wear their desert whites in the winter?

But uniforms are stylish on their own!

But if I hear "the Nazis were awful but their uniforms were fabulous" one more time, I'll get mad.

> With that in mind, how excited would most gays be when they open their army ration kit and find out that stale crackers is what they will be eating, and that it will be washed down with a dirty canteen full of rain water?

You just have no idea what the soldiers eat, do you? Armies that eat stale crackers and drink dirty water are the ones that start thinking of surrendering some time next week. We got awesome food. In middle of the forests. Never mind that you need to eat it in a picnic settings.

> Do you think they will like their Drill Sergeant screaming in their face while being forced to scrub a bathroom floor with a toothbrush?

*shrug* Do straight people like it?

> Folks, the vast majority of gays have no desire to join the military in the first place,

Try asking opinions from countries where military service of all men is mandatory, then. You could get some useful thoughts on how gay people manage to go through the service, just like everyone else.

> Which is why no man would want to shower in the same room with men who were openly gay, and the same would go for women.

I thought there was a drill sergeant somewhere telling them to either go to the shower or scrub the floor with their tooth brush?

10/27/2009 12:52:37 PM

The Watcher

Pastor "T. Estes" and his "Hard Truth" about the gays? I almost want to scream Poe. But it may be just a hilariously unfortunate coincidence.

10/27/2009 12:59:26 PM

Professor M

I think France gets it right -- being gay and serving in the military is only a problem if you hide the fact that you're gay. After all, they're concerned that someone in the closet must have issues they need to work through (via publicly-funded counseling, natch) so they can accept themselves and become fully-functioning members of society and the military.

10/27/2009 1:03:15 PM

JohnTheAtheist

Pastor Ted seems to know a lot about the gheys.

Also, I don't think we should free black slaves because they like to sing when chained together (Don't deny it, you know it's true).

What a fucking tool this guy is.

10/27/2009 1:11:11 PM

AXavierB

They tend to be extremely fashion conscious. (Don't deny it, you know it's true.) So how many gays do you know that would want to wear dark green in the spring, or wear their desert whites in the winter?

I'm gay, and anyone who knows me will tell you I have a bad habit of wearing the same drab green outfit whenever I leave the house for several days or weeks in a row. Not saying I'm proud of that, but that fact alone should tell you I don't really give a shit about fashion and I actually prefer wearing greens and browns. Also, I absolutely hate shopping for clothes.

They tend to be lovers of fine cuisine. With that in mind, how excited would most gays be when they open their army ration kit and find out that stale crackers is what they will be eating, and that it will be washed down with a dirty canteen full of rain water?

I'm gonna take a shot in the dark and say most people wouldn't enjoy eating military rations or drinking from dirty canteens. But when you're in the military you pretty much do what you have to to stay alive.

They are more emotionally connected than most. Do you think they will like their Drill Sergeant screaming in their face while being forced to scrub a bathroom floor with a toothbrush?

OK, I'll concede that I probably wouldn't want to deal with a drill sergeant, but that has less to do with my faggotry and more to do with my hatred of being ordered around by people. I'm somewhat emotionally fragile, but it's not because I'm gay; it's because I'm generally a pussy. =P

Folks, the vast majority of gays have no desire to join the military in the first place, which is why this issue will never go away. If President Obama actually ended the "don't ask, don't tell" policy, then gays would move on to their next issue, but if this issue continues to exist, it serves as a distraction from the issue gays really care about; gay marriage.

I wouldn't want to join the military, but I'm not "the vast majority of gays" anyway.

10/27/2009 1:16:42 PM

campbunny

Sounds like you've known lots of gay guys and know all about our community and what the various kinds of gays are generally like... *eyeroll*

10/27/2009 1:17:44 PM

Pule Thamex

You're obsession with gays is distracting you from the reality of the excitement value of stale crackers and dirty rainwater for humans in general.

10/27/2009 1:25:36 PM



Pastor T. Estes is at it again.

10/27/2009 1:31:50 PM

Clown

/facepalm squared

10/27/2009 1:33:12 PM

Dark_Lord_Prime

"Which is why no man would want to shower in the same room with men who were openly gay, and the same would go for women. Simply put, it would be a HUGE distraction..."

I'd bet the only straight folks who would be uncomfortable with this are the ones who aren't actually all that secure in their own sexuality.

I'm not comfortable with the idea of showering with a group of men simply because I'm a bit shy about such things.

If I wasn't, I wouldn't give a damn if the guys I'm showering with are straight, bi or gay, 'cause I know they aren't all plotting to rape me at their earliest convenience.

You fucking insecure bigot.

Also, "hard truth" is two words.

10/27/2009 1:38:06 PM

aaa

Five bucks says that Tom has never served in the military and never met a gay person.

10/27/2009 1:43:58 PM

BobsOldSocks

If you think there are no gay people in the US military you're even more stupid and naive than your average fundie. Oh, and I'm willing to bet there are many, many gay guys who are far more manly than you.

10/27/2009 1:47:29 PM

Turtle

1. I don't give a flying fudge about fashion. I spend about a week in the beginning of the school year picking out clothes that match, and from then on it's whatever I pick up first.
2. I feel eating would be a waste of time if it weren't for the fact that I kind of have to do it. (Unless it's sugary.)
Can't say anything about 3, except I doubt straight people would enjoy that either.

And just because I like girls, it doesn't mean I'm going to watch them in the showers. In fact, when I'm in a situation like that I try to look away as much as possible. Do you really think the men and women that can take a drill sergeant screaming in their face while scrubbing bathrooms with their toothbrush are that sensitive that they can't shower with a gay person?

10/27/2009 1:49:08 PM



"...the carefully crafted stereotypes that GAYS have made up about themselves?"

No dude, I'm pretty sure it was straight people who made up those stereotypes. Plus, all your stereotypes are about men. What about the butch lesbian stereotype? They would fit in with the military just fine.

"But let me tell you another reason that Obama will NEVER give gays this issue; because the straight people in the military would have a fit."

Just because you are terrified of gay people doesn't mean all straight people are.

10/27/2009 1:50:10 PM

Syb

1. Oh, and a lot of the really stereotypical ones have uniform fetishes. Besides, camo by nature has to be seasonally-appropriate colors, or else it doesn't work.
2. Has this guy not heard about how much the military spends on improving their food? Stale crackers are so fifty years ago.
3. Again with the fetish thing. In fact, shouldn't this be a lot more tolerable to 'sexual deviants' who would get off on it, than to anybody else?

Conclusion: In fact, the military must be secretly run by gays! Also, Tom needs to stop watching so many movies.

10/27/2009 1:51:45 PM

Canadiest

"emotionally connected"
Wouldn't that be understanding your emotions and dealing with them better? I think he was meaning 'emotionally fragile' or 'overly emotional' but with idiots like this you can never tell

And those things in there are hardly just gay. I like good food and hate a restrictive life.
Part of that is living with a bunch of guys 24/7, something that may in fact attract gays to the military

Then he went off the shelf with some backward insults against Obama because Pastor Tom Estes is a nimrod

10/27/2009 2:02:27 PM
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