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No baby murder, no exceptions.

Tell me, if a kidnapper took your wife, called you on the phone, and proceeded to tell you that in order to save your wife, you will have to kill your five year old daughter, would you do it? Of course not! Taking the life of the baby, then, to save the mother, is morally reprehensible.

Another thing: doctors tell us that in almost every case, with the exception of the very earliest in utero murders, the abortion is more traumatic and dangerous than carrying the baby to term.

Tell me, do we not trust God? Can we not leave the choice of who lives and who dies in His knowing hands? It is WRONG to take human life! How DARE a so called Christian support such a thing!

Havensdad, Baptist Board 53 Comments [10/27/2009 6:21:29 PM]
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evilred

Musicalbookworm said it for me!!

10/28/2009 12:25:05 PM

Old Viking

There ain't no baby till after birth. Ask someone to help you use a dictionary.

10/28/2009 1:56:11 PM

WMDKitty

Ass-backwards, uneducated, and full of FAIL.

10/28/2009 1:56:58 PM

Patrick

"Tell me, if a kidnapper took your wife, called you on the phone, and proceeded to tell you that in order to save your wife, you will have to kill your five year old daughter,"

And that's where I stopped reading. How is this scenario at all similar to when a woman is considering an abortion?

10/28/2009 2:13:06 PM



I wonder how many kids this guy has adopted. Probably none.

10/28/2009 5:13:14 PM

Canadiest

Only a fundy would use a ridiculous example like that. Honestly. Get a fuckin' clue

10/28/2009 5:38:28 PM

Semi-Christian

"Another thing: doctors tell us that in almost every case, with the exception of the very earliest in utero murders, the abortion is more traumatic and dangerous than carrying the baby to term."
[Citation needed] And from basic research actually seems to be completely incorrect.

Wikipedia;
'Early-term surgical abortion is a simple procedure which is safer than childbirth when performed before the 21th week'

"Tell me, do we not trust God?"
Yes, actually. I don't trust him at all, despite my religious beliefs. His own bible reveals a great deal of questionable judgments and choices that makes me question HIS morals.
"Can we not leave the choice of who lives and who dies in His knowing hands?"
Fine, screw medical science and just let life do what it wants. Of course we need to draw a line somewhere, the question is WHERE. You draw the line at abortion, I draw it at unnecessary, late abortion....wait, let me research it...

"Fetuses are not capable of feeling pain at the beginning of the fetal stage, and will not be able to feel pain until the third trimester" - Wikipedia.

Well in this case I would personally draw the line at some point midway through the second trimester, at approximately the 20th week. This is probably a tad early, and I need to research the issue further, but you understand why I see you being against all abortions is stupid.

10/28/2009 10:25:34 PM

Dr. Gus

I have a better analogy:
You have a vegetative daughter (brain dead, nothing to do, etc), your wife needs one of her kidneys or she'll die, will you spare your vegetative daughter who won't feel anything and is just an empty shell or will you save your wife?

10/28/2009 10:36:28 PM

Lia

Well, he'd probably kill the wife. The daughter, after all, is a younger woman, and as everyone knows, it's the GOD GIVEN RIGHT of men to have the attention of younger women, which is why they have daughters! Voddie Baucham doesn't disagree as his 17 year old daughter sits on his lap and plays with his hair. Oh, that's why men have affairs, you know - because they don't have daughters to satisfy that God given need.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qljgjT2Q4-g&eurl=http://truewomanhood.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/all-things-patriocentric-thread-three-karen/&feature=player_embedded

10/29/2009 9:22:55 AM

Lia

Well, he'd probably kill the wife. The daughter, after all, is a younger woman, and as everyone knows, it's the GOD GIVEN RIGHT of men to have the attention of younger women, which is why they have daughters! Voddie Baucham doesn't disagree as his 17 year old daughter sits on his lap and plays with his hair. Oh, that's why men have affairs, you know - because they don't have daughters to satisfy that God given need.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qljgjT2Q4-g&eurl=http://truewomanhood.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/all-things-patriocentric-thread-three-karen/&feature=player_embedded

10/29/2009 9:25:44 AM

Lia

Well, he'd probably kill the wife. The daughter, after all, is a younger woman, and as everyone knows, it's the GOD GIVEN RIGHT of men to have the attention of younger women, which is why they have daughters! Voddie Baucham doesn't disagree as his 17 year old daughter sits on his lap and plays with his hair. Oh, that's why men have affairs, you know - because they don't have daughters to satisfy that God given need.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qljgjT2Q4-g&eurl=http://truewomanhood.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/all-things-patriocentric-thread-three-karen/&feature=player_embedded

10/29/2009 9:38:13 AM

JohnTheAtheist

Hey! Something we call agree on finally! No baby murder, no exceptions.

The problem is that you don't know what the fuck a baby is.

Also, as soon as you prove the existence of your particular god I am hesitant to base public policy on your interpretation of what he would like. K?

10/29/2009 9:44:04 AM

Lia

Well, he'd probably kill the wife. The daughter, after all, is a younger woman, and as everyone knows, it's the GOD GIVEN RIGHT of men to have the attention of younger women, which is why they have daughters! Voddie Baucham doesn't disagree as his 17 year old daughter sits on his lap and plays with his hair. Oh, that's why men have affairs, you know - because they don't have daughters to satisfy that God given need.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qljgjT2Q4-g&eurl=http://truewomanhood.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/all-things-patriocentric-thread-three-karen/&feature=player_embedded

10/29/2009 11:36:27 AM

Lia

Well, he'd probably kill the wife. The daughter, after all, is a younger woman, and as everyone knows, it's the GOD GIVEN RIGHT of men to have the attention of younger women, which is why they have daughters! Voddie Baucham doesn't disagree as his 17 year old daughter sits on his lap and plays with his hair. Oh, that's why men have affairs, you know - because they don't have daughters to satisfy that God given need.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qljgjT2Q4-g&eurl=http://truewomanhood.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/all-things-patriocentric-thread-three-karen/&feature=player_embedded

10/29/2009 11:39:49 AM

shudhsak

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10/29/2009 11:40:25 AM

tracer

"Another thing: doctors tell us that in almost every case, with the exception of the very earliest in utero murders, the abortion is more traumatic and dangerous than carrying the baby to term."


You are either:
(A) lying for Jesus, or
(B) quoting "doctors" who are only doctors because they hold a Ph.D. in some academic subject unrelated to medicine. Most likely theology.

10/29/2009 12:07:18 PM

NonProphet

"Tell me, if a kidnapper took your wife, called you on the phone, and proceeded to tell you that in order to save your wife, you will have to kill your five year old daughter, would you do it?"
The difference here is that most abortions occur in the first trimester, before the fetus even has a central nervous system. Ergo, it is not a "child."

"Another thing: doctors tell us that in almost every case, with the exception of the very earliest in utero murders, the abortion is more traumatic and dangerous than carrying the baby to term."
This is a blatant lie.

"Can we not leave the choice of who lives and who dies in His knowing hands?"
Shall I take this to mean you're against modern medicine & hospitals?

"It is WRONG to take human life! How DARE a so called Christian support such a thing!"
I assume you're against all war, the death penalty, and every instance in the Bible in which God tells his followers to kill people, then...?

10/29/2009 1:36:31 PM

Caustic Gnostic

No, we do not trust your god. After all, "he" causes more spontaneous abortions, miscarriages, and maternal deaths than all the abortion providers in the world.


10/29/2009 2:00:46 PM

marge

> Another thing: doctors tell us that in almost every case, with the exception of the very earliest in utero murders, the abortion is more traumatic and dangerous than carrying the baby to term.

What a crap lie! Easy to check. Nope, it was about as uncomfortable as a pap smear, then I had some juice, laid there for an hour, and then went home. Oh, and think of the money the taxpayers saved by not having to support another poor kid. (At the time, I was barely making minimum wage and only eating one meal a day myself - no way I could either take care of a kid or hire someone to do it while I worked.)

Here's a bonus debunk for you - I've heard both that 93% and 97% of women regret their abortions. If that were true, the whole thing would dry up and be a non-issue. Me, 18 years later, I'm still very glad I did it.

Yay for my basic rights to my own body.

10/30/2009 5:01:03 PM

Nowonmai

a fetus/embryo isn't a 'baby' or a child. Technically, it's a parasite as it can't live outside of the host.

Also, that claim of doctors saying a termination is almost as traumatic as giving birth, that is a load of bullshit.

10/30/2009 5:22:25 PM

Mudak

I'm a little bit caught up on the not trusting god part. After all, isn't this the same god who commanded Abraham to kill his own son as a sign of faith? And Abraham was actually about to go through with it before god said, "never mind..."

10/30/2009 8:12:44 PM



Of course, if the kidnapper took your daughter and told you you would have to kill your wife to get her back, it would be totally OK, right?

10/30/2009 9:33:34 PM

Darwin's Lil' Girl

Fetus =! child.

10/31/2009 8:17:44 PM

Crimson Lizard

"Havensdad"? Another male telling women what to do with their own bodies. Tell you what... get pregnant. THEN you can make a decision on said topic. Until then, STFU.

12/18/2010 3:19:06 PM

Swede

A five year old daughter is a living, breathing human being. A two-month old fetus is just a potential human being. A living, breathing, thinking human being take precedence over a potential human being.

Most abortions are "very early in utero murders". Very few abortions happens after week 15. About a fourth of all pregnancies end in spontaneous abortions before week 12.

If we trust God, then we should end all cancer treatments, all auto-immune treatments, all diabetic treatments, etc.
Not procuring available treatments is MORE like taking a human life, than removing a parasitic growth in the uterus.

12/18/2010 4:31:15 PM
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