Home Archives Random Quotes Latest Comments Top 100 Submit Quote Search Log In

Quote# 66918


There is a long and inglorious association between sodomy and black magic, from the medieval Buggers to the Ordo Templi Orientis' XI°.

Sodomy, as the figurative deposition of human seed in anal filth, is anti-God and anti-life. Physical acts are not morally neutral.

Piltdown Man, Pharyngula 94 Comments [10/29/2009 12:56:15 PM]
Fundie Index: 67
WTF?! || meh
Username:
Comment:



1 2 3 4
John

A lot of the stories about sodomy were made up by the Catholic Church to justify persecution. You have to be careful of accepting historical accounts when the only ones that survive were written by someone's enemies.

10/30/2009 10:46:18 AM

Darwin's Lil' Girl

[Citation needed]

10/30/2009 12:20:21 PM

JohnTheAtheist

Anal filth, lol.

10/30/2009 12:22:49 PM



Funny that most clients of this black magic happened to be impotent heterosexual men.

10/30/2009 1:17:02 PM

Dax

Medieval Buggers?
Aren't they the back-up group for the Medieval Babes? Now those babes are worth getting burned over.

10/30/2009 1:41:13 PM

Chris

"Physical acts are not morally neutral".

I move a salt shaker from one side of the table to the other. Please explain the moral significance of my act.

What's that you say? The act is morally neutral. Exactly! And so is sodomy.

10/30/2009 3:12:07 PM

Miles

Eh, go get a big fat dick up you, grandpa.

10/30/2009 3:47:43 PM



If sodomy is black magic, I might already be a level five wizard and didn't even know it!

10/30/2009 5:25:03 PM

John_in_Oz

Sodomy is magic? It sure is ;)

10/30/2009 6:25:22 PM

Tiberius Thyben

@ Chris

Well, to and from where on each end did you move it? If you moved it with your left hand, you're obviously possessed by demons. Did you move it away from where your father is sitting because he eats too much salt and you're trying to dissuade him from doing so?

And no, I am not serious X3

10/31/2009 10:48:50 PM



The Hoax is a notorious cracker-fellater: Stupid, bigoted, and sexually repressed. PZ hasn't banned him. Yet. I think because he's so stupid, bigoted and sexually repressed that he's pitifully amusing. Or amusingly pitiful. Take your pick.

11/1/2009 8:36:13 PM

Pup

I have to say, he's right. I'm very into the whole sodomy thing and I have a copy of the Ars Goetia at home. :P

11/3/2009 8:52:34 AM

Brianisha

Sounds fun, where can I sign up? Oh and morals are relative. we can do this for hours.

11/12/2009 2:58:34 PM

Piltdown Man

JDC1:

"This crazy person seems to think
that he or she is smarter than
he or she actually is."


You're probably right. But then, who doesn't?


Doubting Thomas:

"I guess a big [citation needed] is in order here."

GodotIsWaiting4U:

"CITATION NEEDED"

Darwin's Lil' Girl:

"[Citation needed]"


For info on the OTO, I recommend this website dedicated to that unpleasing sect - http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/sunrise/xi.htm


tracer:

"Yeah yeah, I'm sure that everybody in the throes of anal sex, as climax approaches, is thinking "Boy oh boy, I sure do hate God!""


I never said all sodomites were occultists. I never even said all occultists were sodomites (although that would be nearer the truth). I merely said there was a strong historical correlation between them.


John:

"A lot of the stories about sodomy were made up by the Catholic Church to justify persecution. You have to be careful of accepting historical accounts when the only ones that survive were written by someone's enemies."


Well we all have our biases, don't we? If the Catholic Church were driven back into the catacombs (and it will be), how trustworthy would the subsequent historical accounts of its triumphant enemies be?

But the demonstrable fact that modern occultists have an affinity with ritual sodomy leads me to give the Church the benefit of the doubt in respect of medieval occultists.


Zoo:

"Example, I climb in bed to go to sleep. What are the moral implications of that?"

Chris:

"I move a salt shaker from one side of the table to the other. Please explain the moral significance of my act."


IIRC, I clarified my original statement on the thread in question.

Not all physical acts are morally neutral.

Particularly not sexual acts.


WMDKitty:

"Physical acts in and of themselves are entirely morally neutral. The intent behind the act, however, and the effect the act has on the one acted upon, determine the morality.

Rather like magic, it's all about INTENT."

RH-00:

"It is not the act that is evil, it is the intent with which the act is performed that has the potential to be either good, evil, or neutral."


No one intentionally does evil. How do you determine whether an intent is good or evil?


Morrigan:

"Sex alone is considered a magickal act in many cultures, so what? does that make it evil?"


No. But it makes "magick" evil.


"and that distinction of "anti-life", good god, you live in the 21 century, and morality is flexible enough to let you enjoy sex without being judged as an inmoral man.. as what was inmoral a thousand years ago is not inmoral now. "


And what is not immoral now may be immoral again in a thousand years. Think about it.


"If you wanted to you could live your life without shame or guilt for being a sexual person, like the rest of us... but of course he won't he wasn't raised tho be happy."


I've noticed this persistent liberal tic -- the belief that liberalism is so self-evidently good, true and beautiful that non-liberals cannot possibly be motivated by rational disagreement. No, it can only be motiveless malignity or psycho-sexual disorder.

A good way to avoid the trauma of critical thinking.


atrasicarius:

"LOL, Piltdown Man. I remember him from RDF. "


Ah, happy days. I even crossed swords with the legendary Calilasseia! Sadly, just as our discussion was getting interesting, the Blue Butterfly fluttered off back to fairyland, leaving his bumbling sidekick RaspK to carry on the futile fight.


anon:

"PZ hasn't banned him. Yet."


"Sleazy PZ" recently announced my expulsion from Pharyngula in a post brimming with excremental imagery.

I daresay I had it coming but I can't help fearing for the man's soul.

11/12/2009 5:52:18 PM

moose

Ok Piltdown. Quit spitting out those drugs the nice people in white coats give you. Things can get better.

11/22/2009 9:44:29 AM

P

Fwiw I thought "Sodomy" in the US includes oral sex. Given the antibiotic properties of saliva, and indeed vaginal secretions, this very hygienic practice is obviously very holy. :)

11/30/2009 5:13:02 PM

JB Mason

11-year member of the OTO here. I've been floating around making fun of the fundies with all our friends here, but I was never expecting to find an OTO reference on here. I'm intensely pleased.

A few comments:

1 - Piltdown Man is clearly a retard. Anyone who believes the nonsense about the OTO on Peter Koenig's website needs to have their head examined, or just go back to reading their David Icke books and masturbating in their own feces.

2 - Yes, the XI° of the OTO does allegedly pertain to a form of tantric ritual involving anal sex. You call it "black magic". Yeah? And? So? What?

3 - The IX° of the OTO allegedly pertains to a form of tantric ritual involving vaginal sex. Is this "white magic"? Is this pro-god, and pro-life, by your rationale?

4 - Piltie, allow me to quote Trent Reznor: "Your god is dead, and no one cares. If there is a hell, I'll see you there."

Anybody want actual info on the OTO, visit us at http://oto-usa.org/

1/22/2010 6:50:11 PM

Piltdown Man

"11-year member of the OTO here."

Oh goody.

"Piltdown Man is clearly a retard. Anyone who believes the nonsense about the OTO on Peter Koenig's website needs to have their head examined, or just go back to reading their David Icke books and masturbating in their own feces."

Seeing as you're an 11-year member of the OTO, I naturally defer to your superior knowledge of masturbating in one's own faeces.

"Yes, the XI° of the OTO does allegedly pertain to a form of tantric ritual involving anal sex."

Allegedly? Don't you know?

"You call it "black magic". Yeah?"

Yes.

"And? So? What?"

Quod scripsi, scripsi.

"The IX° of the OTO allegedly pertains to a form of tantric ritual involving vaginal sex."

Allegedly?

'Let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil' - Jesus

"Is this "white magic"? Is this pro-god, and pro-life, by your rationale?"

Nope. All occult practices stand condemned. If you persist in them unrepentant you'll be consigned to the fires of perdition.

Just sayin'.

"Piltie, allow me to quote Trent Reznor..."

lol

"Your god is dead, and no one cares. If there is a hell, I'll see you there."

Spare me the adolescent imbecilities.

"Anybody want actual info on the OTO, visit us at http://oto-usa.org/"

Anybody stupid enough to do that probably deserves it.

Maleficos non patieris vivere.

3/10/2010 11:45:42 AM

Whiteboy

WTF DID I JUST READ?

5/1/2010 6:14:50 PM

JB Mason

Piltdown Man, haven't you realized by now how utterly powerless your little superstitions are? If your god truly existed or had any sort of control whatsover, you wouldn't need to run around trying to be cute with your little quips.

Much more intelligent men and women than you have tried to curse me in the name of your blind syphilitic god, and I'm still standing, still opening the hearts and eyes of people who are tired of being a slave to your empty worldview.

I spit on your crapulous creeds.

7/6/2010 11:17:20 AM

JB Mason

Piltie says: "consigned to the fires of perdition."

Oh, now I get it. Consignment. So retards like you get some sort of commission, right? You go and tag us, then when your sky-daddy sends us into the burning sulphur, you get a biscuit or something?

Jesus Christ, you're a moron. If you had even the slightest clue where your own lame beliefs came from, your tiny head would explode.

7/6/2010 11:20:20 AM

Piltdown Man

"JB Mason" wrote:

"If your god truly existed or had any sort of control whatsover, you wouldn't need to run around trying to be cute with your little quips. "


I don't need to do it, "JB Mason", I just find it amusing.


"JB Mason" wrote:

"Much more intelligent men and women than you have tried to curse me in the name of your blind syphilitic god"


We don't curse people. I'm just telling you what is going to happen if you don't repent your wicked ways.


"JB Mason" wrote:

"I'm still standing, still opening the hearts and eyes of people"


And no doubt when they reach an appropriate level of enlightenment, you get to open their arseholes too. You must be looking forward to that.


"JB Mason" wrote:

"I spit on your crapulous creeds."


Since you like quoting Aleister Crowley, perhaps you'd like to share with the folks here your opinion of some of the Great Catamite's other pearls of wisdom. Such as:

"The slaves shall serve."

"For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim."

"Ordinary morality is only for ordinary people."

"The Beast 666 adviseth that all children shall be accustomed from infancy to witness every type of sexual act."


"JB Mason" wrote:

"So retards like you get some sort of commission, right? You go and tag us, then when your sky-daddy sends us into the burning sulphur, you get a biscuit or something?"


Nah - although Aquinas reckons the blessed do perceive the torments of the damned with absolute clarity.


"JB Mason" wrote:

"If you had even the slightest clue where your own lame beliefs came from, your tiny head would explode."


Do tell. (As long as it's not some infantile crap about a psilocybin cult.)




7/11/2010 10:48:02 AM



Wait, is THAT why you fundies hate homosexuals? Because they do it anally? You silly fool, most of them don't do anal AT ALL.

7/15/2010 2:30:39 PM

caustic gnostic

medieval Buggers...

Bogomilism is the Gnostic dualistic sect, the synthesis of Armenian Paulicianism and the Bulgarian Orthodox Church reform movement, which emerged in Bulgaria between 927 and 970 and spread into Byzantine Empire, Kievan Rus', Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, Italy and France. -Wikipedia

They were equivalent to the Cathars, and we know how that turned out.


7/15/2010 6:09:40 PM

Piltdown Man

someone wrote:

"Wait, is THAT why you fundies hate homosexuals? Because they do it anally? You silly fool, most of them don't do anal AT ALL."

I doubt I qualify as a "fundie" but you will note my original statement didn't mention "homosexuals". It referred to "sodomy".


caustic gnostic wrote:

"[The Bogomils] were equivalent to the Cathars, and we know how that turned out."


Yeah - for the best. A bunch of creepy death-worshipping cultists who condemned sexual intercourse for maintaining the curse of material human existence and regarded pregnant women as being possessed by the devil. Big on suicide, abortion, infanticide and euthanasia. An all-round major threat to society, about as innocent and harmless as Jim Jones or the Manson Family.

Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out.



7/16/2010 5:03:50 PM
1 2 3 4