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#1046185
Brainy
You fail at history.
10/29/2009 12:58:26 PM
#1046187
Doubting Thomas
Only partially right. The Puritans left England (basically were kicked out) so they could find a place where they could persecute people the way they wanted. But they didn't found the country. They did have a good ol' time hanging a few witches, though.
And the First Amendment disagrees with you. It clearly states that there will be no government establishment of any religion and no government interference of any religion.
10/29/2009 1:03:41 PM
#1046189
emau99
The Constitution, the Treaty of Tripoli, and the Supreme Court all disagree.
Care to comment
10/29/2009 1:04:36 PM
#1046193
Lucilius
That's why the Puritans came; but even they, as Garrison Keillor put it, came in search of greater religious restrictions than the CofE allowed at the time.
There were a few other "founders," like the gold-hungry tobacco-growers at Jamestown, the Catholics of Maryland, the Quakers of Pennsylvania, the polyglot poor of the Carolinas and Georgia, the Spanish of Florida and the Southwest, the French of New Orleans – and all of them thought your precious Puritans were totally nucking futz.
10/29/2009 1:07:16 PM
#1046194
So if we're not free to choose the god to worship, then how was this ever going to be enforced? By social pressure or goading alone? By a special religion police who would go door to door demanding declarations of faith to Jahweh? Even if the latter, how could the god squad ever do its job since anyone could simply pay lip service?
You've stated your opinion there, Tara, but nothing more. What's your suggestion for enforcing your kind of freedom? And don't say "Praise Gawd or get the F out!" because that's not a solution.
10/29/2009 1:11:39 PM
#1046196
mad the swine
"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
You're right, I don't see religious freedom in that list. OTOH, I don't see Christianity up there either, and I *do* see something about the 'blessings of liberty' - and if you can't choose who to pray to, I'd have to say your country is pretty far from enjoying said blessings...
10/29/2009 1:13:03 PM
#1046198
Well that's why the puritans moved here, but that wasn't how the country was founded.
10/29/2009 1:14:35 PM
#1046203
Nathan the Wise
Nah. Your country was founded as a place to dump all our criminals in.
Incidentally, point of order; the godfreaks of New England were not Puritans; the term is much abused, as it meant those who wanted to remain in the CofE and 'purify' it. Those who wanted to leave (like the idiots on the Mayflower who didn't think to take a single farmer or plough with them) were called Independents.
10/29/2009 1:31:00 PM
#1046204
Zeus Almighty
Mother of God I wish there a way to slap people through the computer.
10/29/2009 1:31:16 PM
#1046212
Porter
And Maryland was founded to worship the devil.
10/29/2009 1:36:39 PM
#1046216
aaa
You fail constitution forever.
10/29/2009 1:39:35 PM
#1046219
Zeus Almighty
Although they had come to America seeking religious freedom for themselves, the Congregationalist were not keen on granting it to others. They accorded "established" status to their own churches, and did not hesitate to use the power of civil government to achieve their religious ends. Only Congregationalists in good standing were permitted to vote in civil elections in the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Everyone was taxed for support of the Church, and those who failed to attend a worship service were subject to punishment by the civil government. Sabbath observance was enforced by civil statute ? the first "blue laws."
Modern Congregationalists are rarely "puritanical" in their attitudes toward dancing, card-playing, Sunday observance, and so on. Many of them bend over backward to demonstrate their open-mindedness on questions of private morality. Although their churches are still officially Calvinist in theology, they have carried to its logical conclusion the doctrine that each individual is free to interpret the Scriptures for himself. There is no creed, no set of beliefs or doctrines, that a person must embrace in order to become a Congregationalist. Thus one encounters in Congregationalist (or United) churches a great latitude of belief, ranging from Calvinist orthodoxy to way-out theological liberalism.
http://www.religion-online.org/showchapter.asp?title=1623&C=1566
10/29/2009 1:43:24 PM
#1046221
Zeus Almighty
Hey, Tara, here's what someone who REALLY helped found this country had to say: "But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." - Thomas Jefferson
10/29/2009 1:46:34 PM
#1046224
mika
I'm german and even I like to add a history fail
10/29/2009 1:49:00 PM
#1046227
NonProphet
That entire group seems to be made of scary, ultraconservative, Sarah Palin types.
It's like the Stepford Wives, but worse. *shudder*
10/29/2009 1:52:15 PM
#1046230
Caustic Gnostic
No Tara, you confuse the US of A with a couple enclaves of intolerable religious freaks.
10/29/2009 1:53:51 PM
#1046242
CJ
A shout out to Zeus Almighty for posting one of my favorite Thomas Jefferson quotes!
10/29/2009 2:17:04 PM
#1046243
himynameiszac
I love how they fail to mention that the person the christians rallied behind was an atheist.. Thomas Paine - "Common Sense"
10/29/2009 2:19:28 PM
#1046246
Rayne
Hey, guess what, Tara? I'll worship any god I want or none at all if I choose, and there's not a fucking thing that you can do about it but mouth off on the internet. Reality's a bitch, eh?
10/29/2009 2:28:32 PM
#1046248
Thejebusfire
Tell that to the founding fathers.
10/29/2009 2:30:58 PM
#1046252
Jezebel's Evil Sister
The religious nuts did absolutely nothing to found this country. The founders came from the stock of capitalists who came here to exploit the country's natural resources and get rich.
10/29/2009 2:41:51 PM
#1046255
Elphada
A high five to Zeus Almighty.
Tara sweetie....perhaps you should study the English Reformation and Church of England. There's a wealth of knowledge on the web and I wonder why you fundies don't take advantage of that. Many opinions abound so you can make a somewhat educated opinion/comment.
10/29/2009 2:45:35 PM
#1046263
Richstpete
Wow. Epic Fail Tara. Go make your husband's dinner bitch
10/29/2009 2:58:23 PM
#1046265
tracer
Pity the CHRISTIANITY they practiced bore no resemblance to modern Fundamentalism, eh Tara?
10/29/2009 3:00:43 PM
#1046273
That board is hilarious
10/29/2009 3:26:21 PM
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