Thie weekend, my niece got married to a fine young Jewish guy (nothing wrong in that). The 'Officiating pastor' was non-denominational and during the service, there was NOT ONE MENTION OF GOD. Not even a hint of reference of any kind to the same. Not even during the exchange of vows, or rings. God was 'kicked-out' of the very institution of marriage that He established. This verse in Matt. kept running over & over in my mind. I even asked my young teenage daughters before the Reception this Q: "Who was missing during the ceremony?" They both told me that they said to each other during the ceremony, the God was not mentioned, or even eluded to.
During the Reception, the first song was a Jewish song in which they all formed several layered circles and danced around. And then they put the bride and groom on chairs and raised them up and down over their heads for a few minutes as the music played. Then they did both sets of parents. I know this is probably a Jewish custom, or ritual; but the feeling that I got is that I was smack-dab in Ceci B Demil's Ten Commandments, when they were making the golden calf and all the dancing and partying going on.
I thought to myself that if the rapture shofar was sounded right then & there, I would never have heard it for all the noise and 'partying'.
I do wish my niece and her new husband the best, but the elimination of God (and His blessing on this marriage) really did sadden me.
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"Ceci B Demil's"
What. The. Fuck.
????
Hey cts_racing, you know that Internet thingy that you're typing your insane "thoughts" on? It also can be a handy way to check for the spelling of words, or names like, I don't know, maybe ... Cecil B. DeMille.
But what should we expect, you obviously left out the "un" between the "c" and "t" in your own screen name.
Marriage is an institution of God, and not just any god, but our God. Believers in false gods, or no god at all, only think they're married. Just ask any Christian and her or his ex-spouses.
Thie weekend, my niece got married to a fine young Jewish guy (nothing wrong in that)
...unless the Jewish guy is actually Jewish, right?
Why can't people just have a ceremony that covers the basics? My sister's wedding was fine, except for the little sermon the pastor gave. It made me very uncomfortable, and not because I'm an atheist. My brother-in-law was surprised by it when he played the tape back (he was understandably somewhere else mentally during the ceremony), and this guy was a pastor he grew up under.
"I know this is probably a Jewish custom, or ritual"
You think? I'm glad some cultures know how to enjoy themselves. Whichever one you belong to obviously doesn't.
I even asked my young teenage daughters before the Reception this Q: "Who was missing during the ceremony?" They both told me that they said to each other during the ceremony, the God was not mentioned, or even eluded to.
Does this make anyone else uncomfortable? I get a little shiver down my spine whenever I hear the fundies prompt their kids to chorus stuff about God.
Well you should have complained! How dare anyone have a secular wedding? And not only that, but to have a party afterwards? With dancing and noise? Madness! Personally I never go anywhere near fun, music or loud noises, as cts_racing said, I wouldn't want to not hear the rapture trumpet and miss out on my big moment! TOTAL SILENCE! Here it comes.... any moment now...
Oh the wailing, the moaning, the gnashing of teeth....
Oops, my bad, I thought you were discussing a RR party.
Hey dipshit! Not everyone has to slobber over God every waking moment like you do. They probably wanted a nice, all-inlusive, non-denominational (or possibly non-religious) ceremony. If for some reason my wife & I ever get divorced and I get married again, that's the way I'll do it.
Don't worry about that Shofar, cts_racing, if you read your precious book, you'll see the rapture only applys to 144,000 people, and they all have to be male, Jewish, and virgins...
You fail on at least two counts...
"Thie weekend, my niece got married to a fine young Jewish guy (nothing wrong in that)"
Sound like one of those "I'm not racist but..." rants
God was 'kicked-out' of the very institution of marriage that He established.
Even if God established the institution, He didn't establish any particular ceremony for it. As I understand the Jewish tradition, marriage isn't a "sacrament" to be performed by a priest as it is in the Christian tradition. A rabbi may be present as the official state witness and to assist with various rituals and ceremonial traditions (which may include blessings, sharing a sip of wine, stomping on a glass, etc. but might be skipped in a non-denominational wedding); but marriage in the Jewish tradition is a contract between the couple, not something bestowed on them by God or a member of the clergy.
You know I heard a story once where a guy was enjoying a Jewish wedding so much he laid on an endless supply of wine. Name escapes me though.
Feeling very sorry for those daughters, been there done that, got the gently seething resentment towards my parents.
When my second wife and I got married over 22 years ago, we made sure to exclude any mention of god from our vows.
God was mentioned when I married my first wife, for all the good it did. Never even gave us a present.
OH NOES!!!!!11!!!!!1!!one1!!
They didn't conduct things exactly how you'd like it?!
They don't think they need the Lawd in every part of their life?!
Lunacy!!
Just be happy that there are
free countries where you are
allowed to express yourself.
Now that you have expressed
yourself.
Your story seems to be not
your problem.
Sometimes it's best to just
mind your own business.
I do, however, defend your
right to freedon of speech.
That is, if you live someplace
where you can have that.
"the feeling that I got is that I was smack-dab in Ceci B Demil's Ten Commandments, when they were making the golden calf and all the dancing and partying going on."
Once again we are reminded that Hollywood movies are the peak of fundie culture.
Here's an idea-put aside your obsession with your god for a few hours and just enjoy a happy occasion with your family.
Oh, and marriage is a legal institution, not a religious one.
Many years ago, my husand and I were in a wedding party of our good friends. He was a non-practicing Episcopalian and she was a non-practicing Jewish girl. They got married by the Justice of the Peace. There was no mention of Jesus, Abraham, Paul, Peter, or Leviticus or whoever. They had a great party and went on to have 2 great kids. Their oldest son and our oldest son are best friends and now they are 20 and 21 and in college. (all our kids are friends but the two boys truly are best friends). They are still married, so are we and we still are friends.
Love, marriage and raising a family really doesn't have anything to do with God or religion. Get the hell over yourself.
I know this is probably a Jewish custom, or ritual
It is.
Oh yeah, I forgot: Any custom or tradition that doesn't involve the word Hallelujah or Jesus is satanic by nature.
but the feeling that I got is that I was smack-dab in Ceci B Demil's Ten Commandments, when they were making the golden calf and all the dancing and partying going on.
I rest my case.
You know, life for you must be so boring. Have you never met anyone who isn't just like you in the beliefs department? Or are you afraid that their demons will try to inhabit your body?
As if you're worth it, you useless piece of crap.
God wasn't missing during the ceremony, it's just that He's invisible. And even though He is dumb, as well as being invisible, and is therefore unable to give voice to His personal blessings, He does appreciate being mentioned by others. Have you noticed how intangible He is also? He can't shake you by the hand when you mention Him but He knows you believe in Him anyway. Cool.
The music, dances, chair and partying are all Jewish ceremonies -- and almost EVERYONE knows this. How bloody ignorant are you? Considering that Judaism is the foundation upon which Christianity was founded, you're pissing on your own feet here by comparing them with Pagan worship.
They can do whatever the hell they want at their own wedding. Do you assholes have to shit all over everything? Can't you just be happy for your child?
He wasn't "kicked out", he just wasn't mentioned. They treated the wedding as the human interaction that it is.
Oh, uh, by the way; the dancing and partying in that chair music deal: it is in fact a Jewish custom, and therefore intended to GLORIFY God or else do nothing to him, NOT intended to somehow go against him.
What? Dancing, partying and rejoicing at a WEDDING?
Well, I never!
It's almost as if these people thought they were CELEBRATING. Sheesh.
Haha, because marriage needs to be about god, it's not about two people joining in a lawful union.
And lulz at the 'golden calf' part, here is my translation: "These people have a different tradition than I am accustomed to, therefore they are evil!"
>Thie weekend, my niece got married to a fine young Jewish guy (nothing wrong in that).
Anyone else find it kind of hilarious that the way this statement is phrased, it sounds like (s)he's treating "being Jewish" just like other people might treat, I dunno, "enjoying being handcuffed to the bed during sex"? I can just hear the defensiveness: "Oh, no no no! There's nothing wrong with it...y'know...between consenting adults and all..."
It's either hilarious or absolutely terrible. Not quite sure which.
"Thie weekend, my niece got married to a fine young Jewish guy (nothing wrong in that). The 'Officiating pastor' was non-denominational and during the service, there was NOT ONE MENTION OF GOD"
Oy vey!
"During the Reception, the first song was a Jewish song in which they all formed several layered circles and danced around. And then they put the bride and groom on chairs and raised them up and down over their heads for a few minutes as the music played."
Hercules Grytpype-Thynne: 'Hava Nagila?
Count Jim 'Thighs' Moriarty: 'No zanks, I only smoke iguanas!'
[/Goon Show]
"Then they did both sets of parents."
Kinky. I'd pay good money to see that.
[/Finbarr Saunders]
"I thought to myself that if the rapture shofar was sounded right then & there"
Shofar, sho good?
...I'll get my coat.
Hey, cts_racing - I try to be really polite and respectful during most of my posts, gotta be politically correct during this day and age being a public school teacher and all; walk the talk if I am going to dislike fundies for their intolerance - but FUCK OFF! How DARE you put down someone's wedding ceremony, someone's cultural identity? I had my wedding performed by my buddist aunt in the mountains and then had a picnic - no religion mentioned - it was beautiful. My husband and I are faithful, love each other and respectful to each other. We don't need YOUR approval. Sorry everyone, I can't post to RR - cts_racing will never see this but I had to vent. This post made me more angry than any other post I've seen. Guess I'll go eat some spaghetti ;) RAmen
I wonder how Jesus feels about you insulting his culture.
These are God's chosen people, at least according to the Scriptures that you hold in such high regard. They are the original people who rejected idolatry... and you insult one of their customs celebrating the joy of marriage by comparing it to idol worship?
Who the fuck do you think you are? If Jesus requires us to be dull and judgmental, to hell with him.
Meh. Believe it or not, this isn't so bad. She went to a wedding ceremony assuming it would be religious, and was surprised that it wasn't. I'll admit the second paragraph is a little disturbing, but the rest is just ignorance, IMO.
Yeah, dancing and partying is clearly inherently evil (Ps 149:3, Ps 150:4, Ecc 8:15, Jer 31:13, Neh 8:10)
It would be so much better if they had had a nice normal wedding, with none of the weird customs and rituals of your niece's new husband's culture (except shofars. Those are okay, as long as they're heralding the rapture.) As for leaving God out of the ceremony, people who don't choose to include God in their weddings should really be forced to, since that would be thoroughly appropriate and not hypocritical at all.
FAIL.
serious.
FAIL
God has nothing to do with marriage.
Weddings were only held in the church, because the church wanted money, church has always wanted money.
Christiany Greast Scam in history.
"...during the service, there was NOT ONE MENTION OF GOD..."
Heaven Forbid! (pardon the joke) Very devout Jews believe that the name of God (Yaweh) is so holy that it is blashphemic to utter his name aloud or to write it out. Perhaps the members of the wedding party were devout and honoring God in the way they usually do.
As another poster pointed out, it's their wedding, you're just a guest, get over it. As your niece's aunt, your social responsibility is to be happy for her and not to say, do, or think things that might erode their happy life.
I'm pretty sure Jesus is on my side in this.
Wow, there was a legal event that didn't involve a Christian sermon. What's the world coming to? What it's always really been, secular, and striving for freedom from religion
"when they were making the golden calf and all the dancing and partying going on"
And you didn't immediately slaughter most of the people there? You're not a very good Christian, are you?
"the elimination of God (and His blessing on this marriage)"
If your god wants to bless them, he will. He doesn't need anyone's permission, least of all yours.
It was your niece's wedding (and her now-husband's), was it not? Then SHE has the right to decide what kind of service there will be. As there were two religions present, they might have decided to leave both out, instead of mixing them up, or using one while avoiding the other.
So, your God is NOT omni-present?
Marriage is older than your religion.
Do you have old teenage daughters, as well? (Not a completely stupid question; I have a younger little-brother, and an older little-brother.)
So now God and tradition ARE present, and you're still miffed? You don't like the Old Testament?
Ceci? Do you mean Cecil B. DeMille?
How would you have liked my youngest niece's naming ceremony? There were LOTS of gods mentioned, both Christian, Muslim, Hindu and atheist elements were present in the ceremony.
Confused?
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