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When should a parent start using the rod of correction on a child that the Lord has brought into the family? There is no clear and specific answer to this very good question. However, it is my opinion that the correction of children should start as soon as the need for that correction is made manifest. Every discerning parent who has been blessed with a little child in his home realizes that his initial impression of the sweetness and the innocence of the child is in reality an illusion. A child very quickly demonstrates his fallen, depraved nature and reveals himself to be a selfish little beast in manifold ways. As soon as the child begins to express his own self-will (and this occurs early in life) that child needs to receive correction. My wife and I have a general goal of making sure that each of our children has his will broken by the time he reaches the age of one year. To do this, a child must receive correction when he is a small infant. Every parent recognizes that this self-will begins early as he has witnessed his child stiffen his back and boldly demonstrate his rebellion and self-will even though he has been fed, diapered, and cared for in every other physical way.

Ronald E. Williams, isaccorp 349 Comments [11/12/2009 12:44:48 PM]
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John

I can't even reply coherently to these child-abuse morons. I can only imagine 20 years from now that their kids take a screwdriver to their parents eyes screaming "devil! devil!"

11/12/2009 5:10:00 PM

A Pedant

It horrifies me that there are parents out there who not only read this and nodded in approval, but read this and enrolled their daughters in his boarding school!

CPS not only know about this guy but they must have approved him to run that "school" at some stage.

11/12/2009 5:27:06 PM

I read about the afterlife

I remember when I first heard the verse "Spare the rod, spoil the child," I thought that parents were supposed to spare the rod AND spoil the child. I was quite put out when I found out that the bible didn't quite mean that.

11/12/2009 6:00:33 PM

Saika

"his home"
"his fallen, depraved nature"
"reveals himself"
"his own self-will"
"he reaches"
"when he is a small infant"
"he has witnessed"
"his rellion"
"he has been fed"
Apparently all children and parents are males.

11/12/2009 6:36:20 PM

Rambler

Ah so you don't want children, you want slaves.

11/12/2009 7:21:40 PM

Skyknight

Rambler: Not much of a surprise, since they surmise that *God* wants slaves. How did they think a child would act on being born if Satanel had never corrupted Adam and Eve? Instantly cry out "Holy, holy, the Lord God is holy!" or something?

11/12/2009 7:52:29 PM

Lady Gray

When you use corporal punishment on a child that is not old enough to comprehend why you are beating him, it's not punishment, it's abuse, plain and simple. It will not correct anything, it will just negatively affect your child's development.

11/12/2009 8:42:12 PM

Panz

God gave us free will, so fuck you, you don't get it

11/12/2009 9:04:07 PM

raindrops

Please die.

11/12/2009 9:23:52 PM

Lamarck

This. This disgusts me.

11/12/2009 9:25:50 PM



A child very quickly demonstrates his fallen, depraved nature and reveals himself to be a selfish little beast in manifold ways.
Crying for food and nurture is not depraved. They're fucking babies. Rats make better parents than you.

As soon as the child begins to express his own self-will (and this occurs early in life) that child needs to receive correction.
Really? Because I believe a child should be urged to explore but given a safe base to return to. That will give you a child that is self confident and brave. Then again I'm not looking for a brainwashed godbot.

My wife and I have a general goal of making sure that each of our children has his will broken by the time he reaches the age of one year.

For fuck sake, I won't even break the will of my dog or horse. How is it that beating a dog is illegal, but beating your child is protected under religious rights?

Then again I believe this is why most fundies are afraid of the large 'aggressive' breeds. Those are the dogs that are most likely to fight back. Raise a hand to my boys and they'll charge right at you.


Every parent recognizes that this self-will begins early as he has witnessed his child stiffen his back and boldly demonstrate his rebellion and self-will even though he has been fed, diapered, and cared for in every other physical way.
You are a sick bastard who should have your children removed just for writing such bullshit

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Grigori Yefimovich

Tragically true. See here:

http://www.formerhephzibahgirls.webs.com/

I stand corrected, this asshole should be strapped to a rack and every girl he ever beat gets to torture him in any way she wants. Let the sadistic bastard get a taste of his own medicine.

I find it absolutely sickening that these assholes get away with it because they're 'good Christians' and the girls are 'wilful sinners who need help'.


11/12/2009 10:02:47 PM

Hellhounds ate my birthday cake

So, not being a compliant rag doll gets you punished? OMG, baby stiffened his back, get a switch! Sick, sick sick.

11/12/2009 10:06:34 PM

Iczer-04

my god! someone call CPS!

<Rant warning!>

Die in a Fucking fire you God damn mother fucking ass licking dick sucking bug fucking knuckle dragging shit eating coffin-dodging bald headed bible fucking snake in the grass!

<Rant is now over! Thank you>

11/12/2009 10:14:51 PM

solomongrundy

I've just been reading http://www.formerhephzibahgirls.webs.com/

This evil bastard has been systematically beating and otherwise abusing women for over thirty years.

Over the years there have been public allegations of abuse against Hephzibah House. There have been several instances when Ron Williams and staff have had to take the girls and flee. They have literally loaded up the girls and taken them to neighboring states to hide in churches until things have calmed down. At times the number of students at HH dipped very low as a result of investigations or allegations. The number of students always rebounded though, as nothing ever happened to Ron or staff. In addition to the physical beatings, there are many other instances of outright abuse that are far worse than that. The humiliation, the forced vaginal exams, forced enemas, lack of any privacy even for time to use the bathroom. The girls were oftentimes starved as a form of punishment, they were made to do extra work duties, write sentences, or be shadowed. Shadowing was a very emberrassing punishment doled out by the staff ladies. Once on shadow, a girl could not so much as look at any other girl. She was to be a literal "shadow" of her assigned staff lady. She could not speak, look at anyone, or participate in any type of activity. She was to sit on the ground facing the wall at all times. There were several girls who were on shadow for months on end, with absolutely no interaction whatsoever with the other girls.

11/12/2009 10:31:27 PM

PWEOTWEB

Not many people deserve to die, but this person does. People like him are the Hitlers, the Stalins, and the Mussolinis of the world.

11/12/2009 10:47:34 PM

atheist crusader

here ladies and gentlemen is the winner of the 2009 im an evil arsehole who needs to be fucked up the arse with a cactus award

what a sick, evil, vile piece of shit. Newsflash for you MATE! A child is a child, they need love, warmth and attention, they need to be protected and nutured. kids are the most wonderful thing in the world. My daughter is 2 and she can be a right little sod, but she is being a child. NEVER would i use any kind of rod to correct her. She may get the very rare smaked arse if shes being really naughty,or putting herself in danger but in general shes great. I never touched a hair on her head until very recently and only then smacked her as she was going to run out in front of a car after slipping my wifes hand. even so i still cuddled her after, gave her a kiss and explained why i had done it and i hated havin to smack her. But it is not rebellion, its children being what they are. As for this part:

As soon as the child begins to express his own self-will (and this occurs early in life) that child needs to receive correction

i very nearly cried out of pity for this poor mite and anger at this sick fuck. how fucking dare you try to break this childs self will, that is called CHILD ABUSE you evil prick. I hope you (for your your sons sake, and saftey)get him taken off of you by social services, and or when he grows up he kicks the living shit out of you. Hey fuck it i might just find out where you live and give you a fucking beating myself. Hell,the airfare from London would be well worth it alone if it meant this little lad was able to grow up with safe loving parents who were'nt obsessed in breaking this little boys spirt. You truley are the lowest of the low. even bacteria look down on you, and you are only narrowly beaten to the "i dont deserve to live and need to die award" by peadophiles

hands up guys who wants to join me in kicking this piece of shits arse????


11/12/2009 11:10:10 PM

Eden

I am surprised that this idiot was always able to escape prosecution by fleeing to neighboring states and wait for some time hiding in churches.

If a person like Ron is able to get away with this and still be able to have his Hephzibah House running in other states (with parents really still sending their girls to him) something is very wrong with the judical system within the USA (or at least with the way the CPR works across state borders )

And it is also sick that he still finds financial support by a church (Believers Baptist church) with a pastor of said church even saying that
the women must be silenced one way or the other.
(women = "survivors" of said Hephzibah House, who run webpages like the one already linked and who stage public protests)
http://dannimoss.wordpress.com/2009/07/06/alleged-hephzibah-house-abuse-survivors-must-be-silenced/

11/12/2009 11:32:37 PM

Rocket Boy

I think people like this are so wrapped up in their need for control that they act in really terrible ways to assure as much control as they can.
Thus, this guy sees one-year-olds as defiant and awful. It also reflects a disconnect from sense and reality at large because, duh, kids will eventually be defiant at one point or another. That's a part of growing up.

11/13/2009 12:23:11 AM

Rocket Boy


11/13/2009 12:23:29 AM

lol what

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This guy doesn't even bother to make excuses for child abuse beyond 'fuck it, just beat your kids'.

11/13/2009 12:28:19 AM

Clown

This, my friends, is plain evil. This is proof that there is no god, or, if there is, that he is no good. This is more evil than a murder, because murder ends life and this leaves consequences that ruin it, make a hell of one's life. I have a very small hope that G0d is a woman and has made a special hell just for people like Ronald here.

11/13/2009 12:54:55 AM

G0d

Luci, one testicular cancer on the name of Ronald E. Williams. Deliver promptly.

11/13/2009 12:55:29 AM



Please be a poe, Please be a poe, Please be a poe.........

11/13/2009 1:29:40 AM

Ocellus

This used to be the common, accepted principle in child rearing. The child was to be absolutely obedient and deferent and any show of independent will was taken to be an act of direct defiance and a straightforward attack against the parents and their authority. Not to mention a sign that the child was willful, wicked and evil.
They wrote this in popular child rearing manuals for gods' sakes.

Of course, that resulted in insecure adults who among other issues, could not face anything they deemed a threat to their own egos or authority and who had a huge need to find some of the control they were never allowed to learn as kids. Who then of course had a deep seated internal need to beat every sign of independent will out of their own kids. And so on.

My dad was what I hope to have been one of the last remnants of such generational pathology and I can clearly recognise the same general attitude here, even though my parents never went as far as to beat me senseless. People like this honestly should have their kids taken away from them, as they are to a large extent so set in their ways that there's no hope they will ever change. And meanwhile they're destroying the lives of their kids.

For what it's worth, I emailed the link to the original text to Indiana's CPS, though I seriously suspect they already are well aware of this. Just trying to make myself feel better, I suppose... Since I can't personally go there and grab these kids away from this arsehole.

11/13/2009 1:46:03 AM



God hasn't blessed with children. He has cursed you with a total misunderstanding of psycology and of the human nature.

11/13/2009 1:47:59 AM
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