Quote# 67487

When should a parent start using the rod of correction on a child that the Lord has brought into the family? There is no clear and specific answer to this very good question. However, it is my opinion that the correction of children should start as soon as the need for that correction is made manifest. Every discerning parent who has been blessed with a little child in his home realizes that his initial impression of the sweetness and the innocence of the child is in reality an illusion. A child very quickly demonstrates his fallen, depraved nature and reveals himself to be a selfish little beast in manifold ways. As soon as the child begins to express his own self-will (and this occurs early in life) that child needs to receive correction. My wife and I have a general goal of making sure that each of our children has his will broken by the time he reaches the age of one year. To do this, a child must receive correction when he is a small infant. Every parent recognizes that this self-will begins early as he has witnessed his child stiffen his back and boldly demonstrate his rebellion and self-will even though he has been fed, diapered, and cared for in every other physical way.

Ronald E. Williams, isaccorp 371 Comments [11/12/2009 12:44:48 PM]
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Mr Blur

Child Abuse For Jebus!

11/13/2009 1:51:57 AM


This is just evil.

11/13/2009 2:48:05 AM

Doctor Fishcake

How I would love for this to be a Poe.

But I'm pretty sure it's not.

11/13/2009 3:36:45 AM

The Lazy One

Sick fuck. I hope you get CPS called on your abusive sorry ass.

11/13/2009 4:27:14 AM



Even at a time when spanking with objects was considered acceptable (and believe me I felt a hairbrush on my backside more than a few times), this would still have been considered child abuse. Most adults know that babies cry. It's what they do. It's how they communicate. Also think of the damage they do by striking those tiny bones. Ever see a case of shaken baby syndrome? There's a sight that'll bring tears to your eyes. And that's a permanent condition, there's no cure for it.

Discipline is supposed to begin at around a year old, not be finished with it by then. It's doesn't do any good to punish a child who can't possibly understand why they're being punished, and for reasons that most parents don't even see as problems.

11/13/2009 4:40:11 AM


"Both my wife and I have often remarked that it is <b>good that one of our children was not our firstborn.</b>"


"This particular child who came along later in our family was extremely willful and rebellious toward our authority and would often require <b>sessions of correction lasting from one to two hours in length before the will would finally be broken!</b> Had this child been our first, we may well have been tempted to despair of the grace of God."

Or, it might have necessitated a good alibi when the <s>victim</s> child expired due to excessive use of the <b>"Rod Of Correction"</b>

"Do not be discouraged, dear parent, when it appears that your Godly efforts to chastise your child with the rod of correction meet with total resistance towards your authority. This simply means that you have started on the right course and you must now <b>pursue your objective of a broken will with great vigor</b> until your mission is finally accomplished. This may require a great deal of self-discipline on your part but you can do it, <b>since God requires you to do so.</b>"

Seriously, why not just go for waterboarding or something similar that won't leave any tissue damage ?
Locking them in a sweat box out in the sun for days without food and water might work too. Just sayin'.

11/13/2009 5:11:57 AM


You sick sadistic evil motherraping fucking excuse for a human being. Death is too mild a punishment for you.

I hope you die in the worst way possible.

11/13/2009 8:33:49 AM

Please please please please please let this be a Poe.

11/13/2009 9:06:54 AM


Somebody said that info on Ron's whereabouts is on the page. Is there any way we can forward this stuff to CPS in his state? I'd call them up, but unfortunately I live in Northern Ireland.

I know everybody's gone "omg call CPS" but if I were in the US, I actually would. There's enough bullshit here to warrant an investigation.

11/13/2009 9:08:05 AM


Can we bury him alive in a functioning septic tank?

11/13/2009 9:09:31 AM

Evil Left-Wing Feminist

Evil. No other word for it.

11/13/2009 9:42:19 AM

Max W.

No wonder types like this hate Child Protective Services. They turn their homes into little right-wing fundie gulags, with their children as the inmates.

11/13/2009 10:23:12 AM

Dr. Novakaine

Please let this be a goddamn poe. This is fucking child abuse, this is beyond a simple reward/punishment dynamic, they are abusing their kids.

11/13/2009 10:53:37 AM

Rocket Boy

@ Caretaker

Ocellus says that he's forwarded the post and info to the local CPS.

Fingers crossed they can act on it and save those poor kids. It's absolutely horrifying to think that a child would beaten for precieved crimes against their parents. It almost seems as if they're just looking any reason to beat their kids.

11/13/2009 11:30:14 AM

Troll Phish

We need more rebels in society.

I hope this kid dumps you at some cheap retirement home when you are old.

11/13/2009 11:30:45 AM

Troll Phish

BTW I'll duel you with my knife of correction.

11/13/2009 11:32:45 AM


Wow. Not only can you not show love to your enemies, you can't show it to your friends or even your own family. You really are a soulless, vile human being.

11/13/2009 12:49:53 PM


oop (#1056051): Can we bury him alive in a functioning septic tank?

What a terrible thing to suggest! I believe that would be something akin to "illegal disposal of a toxic substance." Contaminate the ground water for decades!

11/13/2009 1:11:00 PM


This is just sickening.
Ronald Willaims has no understanding of child psychology, and thus no understanding of parenting.

Infants are incapable of self-restraint, and cannot comprehend rules. Infants are also incapable of undergoing procedures like this without developing psychological problems later in life.

Way to fuck up the youth of America, Ron.

11/13/2009 1:15:48 PM

An infant doesn't even have object permanence. They can't in any way possible benefit from spanking even by the most fucked up of perceptions, they can only be mentally scarred by feeling pain and not knowing why it is happening.

11/13/2009 1:21:53 PM


You're very lucky. If you were my parents I would have violently murdered you a long time ago.

11/13/2009 2:46:17 PM


There are thousands of people who can't have kids due to one reason or another, yet would make brilliant parents.

There are assholes like you, who have kids, yet people like you are terrible parents.

There is no justice in this. *sigh*

11/13/2009 2:51:17 PM


@ Rocket Boy - thanks for lettin' me know. Four pages of comments can get kinda blurry. Eight bajillion internets can now be forwarded to Ocellus for making a move. Epic salute, sir!

I'm usually all for free speech, but this bastard is advocating absolutely nothing short of pure child abuse. 'Fallen, depraved nature'? The kid is a matter of months old, you sick fuck! It has no concept of right or wrong, just the concept of crying time and not-crying time!

This really sickens me; I have no words for it. I usually reserve FOADIAF for this kind of disgust, but even that isn't strong enough. It is my dearest, most sincere wish that this fucker and all those like him get thrown in prison for the rest of their days, their only friends incredibly large and angry men who haven't seen women in decades.

11/13/2009 2:53:49 PM


Here you go everybody:

Indiana's Child Protective Services (CPS), protects Indiana's children from further abuse or neglect and prevents, remedies, or assists in solving problems that may result in abuse, neglect, exploitation, or delinquency of children.

CPS operates a toll-free hotline (1-800-800-5556) for people to call and report suspected cases of child abuse or neglect. Although reports can be made in person or by correspondence, the vast majority of child abuse and neglect reports are made via telephone. CPS receives and initiates investigations of child maltreatment on a 24-hour basis.


The Scumbag's name and address
The Correction and Salvation of Children
By Ronald E. Williams

Believers Baptist Church, 508 School St., Winona Lake, IN 46590 (219) 269-2375

His Website (He even looks creepy)

11/13/2009 4:05:53 PM


I called law enforcement for Warsaw, Indiana. This has been reported and there is great awareness of the abuses occurring at this place. Still, you can sign a petition here:


Do something positive and put this insane wacko away for good.

11/13/2009 4:24:22 PM

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