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[An MP endorsing "alternative medicine," apparently in Parliament.]

In 2001 I raised in the House the influence of the moon, on the basis of the evidence then that at certain phases of the moon there are more accidents. Surgeons will not operate because blood clotting is not effective and the police have to put more people on the street.

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I am talking about a long-standing discipline—an art and a science—that has been with us since ancient Egyptian, Roman, Babylonian and Assyrian times. It is part of the Chinese, Muslim and Hindu cultures. Criticism is deeply offensive to those cultures, and I have a Muslim college in my constituency.

The opposition is based on what I call the SIP formula—superstition, ignorance and prejudice. It tends to be based on superstition, with scientists reacting emotionally, which is always a great irony. They are also ignorant, because they never study the subject and just say that it is all to do with what appears in the newspapers, which it is not, and they are deeply prejudiced, and racially prejudiced too, which is troubling.


David Tredinnick, MP (Bosworth), TheyWorkForYou.com 38 Comments [11/14/2009 6:18:26 PM]
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Submitted By: David D.G.
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Percy Q. Shunn

That is one big ol' babbling brook of ignorance and fail.

11/14/2009 6:34:50 PM

Horsefeathers

"In 2001 I raised in the House the influence of the moon, on the basis of the evidence then that at certain phases of the moon there are more accidents. Surgeons will not operate because blood clotting is not effective and the police have to put more people on the street."

That's nice. Unfortunately you've cited nothing to support your claims and, as far as I know, all reports of "Moon Madness" don't hold up when you look at the statistics.

"I am talking about a long-standing discipline—an art and a science—that has been with us since ancient Egyptian, Roman, Babylonian and Assyrian times. It is part of the Chinese, Muslim and Hindu cultures. Criticism is deeply offensive to those cultures, and I have a Muslim college in my constituency."

Astrology?

The fuck are you talking about anyway?

"The opposition is based on what I call the SIP formula—superstition, ignorance and prejudice. It tends to be based on superstition, with scientists reacting emotionally, which is always a great irony. They are also ignorant, because they never study the subject and just say that it is all to do with what appears in the newspapers, which it is not, and they are deeply prejudiced, and racially prejudiced too, which is troubling."

And I thought U.S. politicians held the patent on crazy...

11/14/2009 7:04:21 PM

Thejebusfire

In 2001 I raised in the House the influence of the moon, on the basis of the evidence then that at certain phases of the moon there are more accidents. Surgeons will not operate because blood clotting is not effective and the police have to put more people on the street.


[citation needed]

11/14/2009 7:19:11 PM

Wehpudicabok

Criticism indeed tends to be highly offensive to those who believe things that are wrong. If their beliefs were correct, they would hold up to criticism.

Furthermore, the fact that an idea has been around a long time doesn't make it more accurate--indeed, ancient scientific ideas are generally less accurate than modern ones. Did the ancient Chinese ever figure out internal combustion, or electricity?

11/14/2009 7:21:44 PM

Old Viking

And the werewolves! The werewolves!

11/14/2009 7:47:23 PM



I recently read an article that cited various studies as having found absolutely no correlation between the full moon and an increased rate of accidents or crime (and obviously, your blood clotting theory is bs). It went on to say that the parts about the moon having an influence on behavior perhaps being true in the past, (the rest, being stemmed, completely, in mythology) when the moon was such a significant source of light for us that it might have impacted sleep, make crime easier, etc. However, we have no idea if people attributing things to the moon was just as baseless then, as it very much is today.

Anyway, I can't find the actual article, but just by googling "full moon myths" a whole bunch of pages came up that have this information.

11/14/2009 8:13:55 PM



What?

11/14/2009 8:19:23 PM

Anevilmeme

Okay I admit it, I actually said "what the fuck?" out loud after reading this babble.

11/14/2009 8:58:52 PM

Doubting Thomas

If this were an American politician, he'd be talking about God instead of those other superstitions.

11/14/2009 9:04:42 PM

Vince

you know, I know what he's getting at.

there is a shit load of stuff that the lunar calendar actually affects. not enough to make anyone give a shit but it is interesting.

but anyway, what he seems to be getting at is how people refuse to even consider things even slightly related to astrology, spirituality, even herbal medicine. one phrase I hate more than any other is the argument that there's simply "no such thing". people who so blindly deny that anything even slightly paranormal goes on. it doesn't exist. don't be ridiculous. ect.

I fucking hate it. blindness and ignorance is the same not matter what your dogma. what if science took the same attitude. how many things we enjoy today would be called impossible and ridiculous 100 years ago.

this guy has a point, people need to consider that people believed this shit for a reason, maybe there could just possibly be something to this. you never know until you investigate.

maybe the fact that the internal clock of just about every animal on earth is related to the cycle of the moon. just maybe.

11/14/2009 9:07:59 PM

Reverend Jeremiah

When Criticism is deeply offensive to your culture..that is a warning that you need to delve deeply into WHY criticism is offensive.

The reasons that you find that they do not tolerate criticism may DEEPLY offend you.

P.S. - I am also sure that a crooked politician will be deeply offended if you ask too many probing questions and inquire for evidence and facts.

11/14/2009 9:15:41 PM

campbunny

Absolutely golden. "Criticism is deeply offensive to those cultures" could be an entry all by itself.

11/14/2009 9:21:00 PM

Caustic Gnostic

It's a god damned good thing old David isn't a woman; menstruation would absolutely freak him out.

11/14/2009 9:25:21 PM

GodotIsWaiting4U

What the hell are you even saying?

11/14/2009 9:53:09 PM

Efrain

@Caustic Gnostic:
It freaks most people out, Male and female. D:

11/14/2009 11:01:43 PM

WMDKitty

Not sure whether to laugh or cry, here. Though I still won't go out if it's a full moon... especially on a weekend. Things get crazy.

11/14/2009 11:02:51 PM

ozznova

how is this fundie?

11/14/2009 11:27:59 PM

FMG

No... No the moon has nothing to do with blood clotting

11/14/2009 11:53:22 PM

Nathan the Wise

You been trying to claim your astrologer on expenses, Dave?

*googles*

Oh, he's a Tory. Fancy that, a loony Tory MP. Never seen one of those before.

11/15/2009 2:39:59 AM

DarkfireTaimatsu

Scientists are a superstitious, cowardly lot?

11/15/2009 2:47:10 AM

toothache

I suppose it's due to racism that these medicines fail to work then?

11/15/2009 2:57:13 AM

aaa

You fail medicine forever.

11/15/2009 3:39:30 AM



"Surgeons will not operate because blood clotting is not effective"

This phrase by itself should be enough to get the man kicked out of parliament. Who wants their MP's deciding matters based on superstitions.

11/15/2009 3:39:45 AM

HazelHolly

And, once again, I'm reminded that we Brits don't have the right to brag to the Americans that we don't have any idiots...

11/15/2009 3:48:21 AM

Haseri

The troubling thing is, people actually voted for him.

11/15/2009 4:02:43 AM
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