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Q. Isn’t it true that what kids need most are loving parents, regardless of whether it’s a mother or father?

A. No. A child needs a loving mother and father. A wealth of research over the past 30 years has shown us this. (However, same-sex marriage and parenting intentionally deprive children of a mother or father.) The most loving mother in the world cannot teach a little boy how to be a man. Likewise, the most loving man cannot teach a little girl how to be a woman. A gay man cannot teach his son how to love and care for a woman. A lesbian cannot teach her daughter how to love a man or know what to look for in a good husband. Is love enough to help two gay dads guide their daughter through her first menstrual cycle? Like a mom, they cannot comfort her by sharing their first experience. Little boys and girls need the loving daily influence of both male and female parents to become who they are meant to be.

Q. Isn’t that cruel?

A. That’s only because of the times in which we live. Our society prizes what seems fair, more than what is true. Children truly need both a mom and a dad. It is cruel to intentionally deny them this. The research supporting this is both substantial and unequivocal!

Marriage = 1 Man + 1 Woman, MySpace 58 Comments [11/24/2009 7:24:51 PM]
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Wehpudicabok

If single parents can do it, so can gay couples. Mind you, they won't be teaching their kids the concept of "gender" that you have, with its divinely bolted shackles, so you'll probably still hate them. Oh well, you can't please everybody.

11/24/2009 7:38:01 PM

szena

That's the old Freudian approach. It hasn't held up terribly well when subjected to actual study.

11/24/2009 7:49:35 PM

Doctor Whom

1. The real-world evidence says otherwise.

2. As gay man and a product of a single-parent household who pays more in taxes than most of you yahoos even earn, I say, "Fuck you very much."

11/24/2009 8:13:02 PM

Doubting Thomas

Yeah, little girls need to be taught that they are supposed to grow up, get married, and bring their husband beer and sandwiches whenever he wants it. That and to make babies.

11/24/2009 8:13:46 PM

The Bad Guy

"Is love enough to help two gay dads guide their daughter through her first menstrual cycle?"
Of course not, you need the bible for that:

Leviticus 20:18 "And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her nakedness; he hath discovered her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood: and both of them shall be cut off from among their people."

Ezekiel 18:5-6 "But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right, and hath not ... come near to a menstruous woman.....

11/24/2009 8:20:18 PM

WMDKitty

Wow, because GLBT individuals don't have any friends of the opposite sex, rite?

11/24/2009 8:31:03 PM

The Bad Guy

Q. If that's the case, can an impregnated woman get an abortion if the father runs out on her?

A. Of course not! Besides, raising a kid on your own isn't that bad (not that I've tried it or anything). Otherwise, you could just put the kid in an orphanage if you can't take care of it.

Q. But you just said a child needs a mother and father, didn't you?

A. Well, uh... yeah, but... umm...

Q. So you would rather see children in overcrowded orphanages or with single mothers on welfare than with two gay people, is that right?

A. Uh, yes.. I mean no.. I mean..

Q. It seems to me that you're not the least bit interested in children and are more interested in restricting the freedoms of others until they're just as miserable as you, am I right?

A. Stop questioning me! I'm being persecuted! WAAAHHH!!!

Q. Oh relax. Don't you realize that I'm you, and you've been talking to yourself this whole time because you have no real friends because being a closeted homosexual has only made you even more bitter and hostile to others?

A. I hate you...but I love your shoes! Where'd you get them?

11/24/2009 8:33:23 PM

Old Viking

"Just look at what traditional marriages have done for kids in this country. It's ... they're ... never mind."

11/24/2009 8:56:24 PM

Thinking Allowed

Q. Isn’t it true that what kids need most are loving parents, regardless of whether it’s a mother or father?

A. No. A child needs a loving mother and father. A wealth of research over the past 30 years has shown us this. (However, same-sex marriage and parenting intentionally deprive children of a mother or father.)


Please cite the source where I can see this wealth of research from the past 30 years.

The most loving mother in the world cannot teach a little boy how to be a man. Likewise, the most loving man cannot teach a little girl how to be a woman.

What about single parents. If a woman is the single parent of a boy, then who should teach him to be a man? Likewise if a man was the single parent of a girl. You failing to mention that.

A gay man cannot teach his son how to love and care for a woman. A lesbian cannot teach her daughter how to love a man or know what to look for in a good husband.

Another analogy failure. There are plenty of heterosexual marriages where the parents can't/don't teach their kids this information too.

Is love enough to help two gay dads guide their daughter through her first menstrual cycle? Like a mom, they cannot comfort her by sharing their first experience.

What about the single heterosexual dad who has a daughter? What does he do in situations like this?

Little boys and girls need the loving daily influence of both male and female parents to become who they are meant to be.

What about single parents? What do little boys and girls do when there's only one parent?

Q. Isn’t that cruel?

A. That’s only because of the times in which we live. Our society prizes what seems fair, more than what is true. Children truly need both a mom and a dad.


Unfortunately, life isn't about fair. There are going to be families that have single parents.

It is cruel to intentionally deny them this.

What is cruel is to intentionally to deny them a loving home with 2 parents that love each other regardless if it's platonic, heterosexual or homosexual.

The research supporting this is both substantial and unequivocal!

Again, where is this place I can find your supporting research that is both substantial and unequivocal? Sorry, but your ass doesn't count.


11/24/2009 8:58:40 PM



A. No. A child needs a loving mother and father. A wealth of research over the past 30 years has shown us this

Citation needed.

(However, same-sex marriage and parenting intentionally deprive children of a mother or father.)

So they're better off in an orphanage with NO parents?

The most loving mother in the world cannot teach a little boy how to be a man. Likewise, the most loving man cannot teach a little girl how to be a woman.

What about single parents? Should it be mandatory they remarry? And why exactly can't other family members teach them about being a man/woman? Two dads still have female family members, and lesbians have male family members.

A gay man cannot teach his son how to love and care for a woman. A lesbian cannot teach her daughter how to love a man or know what to look for in a good husband.

It's the same for either. Treat them with love and respect. But since when do parents teach that? Most kids learn from experience with boy/girlfriends.

Is love enough to help two gay dads guide their daughter through her first menstrual cycle? Like a mom, they cannot comfort her by sharing their first experience.

How stupid. Does someone really need guiding through a menstrual cycle? And even if they did, they don't have grandmas? Aunts? Female cousins? Having a period really isn't that big.

Little boys and girls need the loving daily influence of both male and female parents to become who they are meant to be.

Change that to male and female friends and family, and I'll agree. They don't necessarily need two parents of both sexes.

A. That’s only because of the times in which we live. Our society prizes what seems fair, more than what is true. Children truly need both a mom and a dad. It is cruel to intentionally deny them this. The research supporting this is both substantial and unequivocal!

You've obviously never met a family made up of gay parents and children. They're perfectly fine and well rounded.


11/24/2009 9:11:46 PM

The Jamo

Right. Can you please post links or references to the said "research"? I'd really appreciate some concrete evidence right about now.

11/24/2009 9:22:49 PM

Sasha

I echo the requests for this putative research.

You seem to have very narrow and rigid ideas about gender. How about you join us in the 21st century and reconsider your arguments?

11/24/2009 9:37:18 PM

Thejebusfire

A child needs a loving mother and father.

What about children of single parents?

However, same-sex marriage and parenting intentionally deprive children of a mother or father

See the above.

The most loving mother in the world cannot teach a little boy how to be a man. Likewise, the most loving man cannot teach a little girl how to be a woman.

Just because a child has gay parents, doesn't mean they don't have other role models.

A gay man cannot teach his son how to love and care for a woman. A lesbian cannot teach her daughter how to love a man or know what to look for in a good husband.

A lot of hetrosexual couples don't teach their kids this. I learned more about sex from television than my mother.


Is love enough to help two gay dads guide their daughter through her first menstrual cycle?

Is love enough to help a single father guide his daughter through her first menstrual cycle? Hell, my mother didn't tell me too much about my menstrual cycle until after I had mine. I thought I just pissed blood.

Our society prizes what seems fair, more than what is true. Children truly need both a mom and a dad. It is cruel to intentionally deny them this.

Isn't it people like you who are always bitching about "fairness" when gay marriage is ruled legal?
And again with the single parents.

The research supporting this is both substantial and unequivocal!

Sorry, the real research disagrees with you:
http://www.parentdish.com/2009/11/23/gay-parents-do-not-warp-their-kids-research-shows/

11/24/2009 11:06:06 PM

LadyJafaria

A parent can always teach his or her child how to love another person, whether the person the child ends up loving is the opposite sex or his/her own. The trick is to treat men and women as just people, not as creatures from different planets that need special handling a la all that Mars/Venus shit. But since fundies have a problem with that, I can see why their knickers are in a twist over gay parents raising (presumably) straight children.

11/25/2009 12:05:18 AM

aaa

What about single parents?

11/25/2009 12:36:14 AM

Sisyphus

Obviously someone hasn't heard the phrase "it takes a village to raise a child". What is wrong with America that the nuclear family has become the be all and end all of life as we know it? It's creepy.

11/25/2009 1:12:34 AM

werewolf

Meaningless twaddle.

11/25/2009 1:58:07 AM

Mr Blur

Hey, there's a new dickhead in town!

11/25/2009 2:15:26 AM

Clown

Reality tends to disagree.

11/25/2009 3:00:59 AM

Brenz

On behalf of my awesome friends with a parent who died or abandoned them: you're stupid and no one likes you.

11/25/2009 4:32:37 AM

Brenz

Also, this: my parents didn't teach me to love a woman. That would have been awkward. I just happened to be wired straight. It's just words, man. You read up and you talk about it.

11/25/2009 4:33:48 AM

Rayne

So if you die and leave your spouse behind with children, I'm calling CPS. I'm just sayin'....

11/25/2009 4:36:53 AM

Sylvana

I think single parents and transsexuals pretty much prove that what you are saying is utter crap. Children from single parent homes grow up to be just as effective addults as anyone else. Also boys and girls dont need to be told how to be men or women. It comes pretty naturally.

11/25/2009 5:18:30 AM

CatAnon

So convenient that you didn't post that "evidence" of yours, huh?

11/25/2009 5:32:28 AM

Orion

"A gay man cannot teach his son how to love and care for a woman. A lesbian cannot teach her daughter how to love a man or know what to look for in a good husband. Is love enough to help two gay dads guide their daughter through her first menstrual cycle?"

Can straight parents teach their homosexual son to love a man? Teach a lesbian daughter what to look for in a good life partner? Is love enough to help two heterosexual parents guide their confused kid through the hardship of coming out of the closet?

The answer is yes. Heterosexual parents have raised many well adjusted homosexual offspring (when they do raise them as opposed to disowning them). Logically it follows then that homosexual parents could raise heterosexual offspring just as well. As alien as it may seem to those who were raised by two heterosexual parents or a single parent or whatever else it is entirely possible for a child to be raised with two parents of the same gender without serious adverse effects.

11/25/2009 6:37:11 AM
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