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Q. But heterosexuals can marry according to their sexual orientation. Why shouldn’t homosexuals be allowed to marry according to their orientation?

A. Then nature itself is intolerant. Marriage has not been “imposed” upon culture by some religious institution or government power from which it needs to be “set free.” It was established by God, is enforced by the nature which God bestowed upon mankind, and we tamper with it at our own peril.

Here’s what is intolerant. Same-sex “marriage” is being forced upon us by a small, but elite, group of individuals dressed in black robes—judges—who say that thousands of years of human history have simply been wrong. That is a very arrogant notion that will bring great harm to our culture.

Marriage = 1 Man + 1 Woman, MySpace 38 Comments [11/24/2009 7:25:03 PM]
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Wehpudicabok

"a small, but elite, group of individuals dressed in black robes—judges—"

Thanks for making that clear. I had no idea what you were talking about. (rolls eyes)

Also, you have a lot to learn about world culture if you think everyone is as obsessed with heterosexuality as you are.

11/24/2009 7:33:05 PM

Doubting Thomas

"It was established by God..."

There is no god, and marriage existed long before belief in gods existed.

"a small, but elite, group of individuals dressed in black robes—judges—who say that thousands of years of human history have simply been wrong."

And they're right.

11/24/2009 8:11:33 PM

The Bad Guy

The round earth concept is being forced upon us by a small, but elite, group of individuals dressed in white robes—scientists—who say that thousands of years of human history have simply been wrong. That is a very arrogant notion that will bring great harm to our culture.

11/24/2009 8:14:37 PM

Sweet Fancy Moses

"Then nature itself is intolerant. Marriage has not been “imposed” upon culture by some religious institution or government power from which it needs to be “set free.”"

He's got a point, just take a look anywhere in nature and you'll see it's only the heterosexual animals that have and live happy marriages with each other. If Bonobos, penguins, and countless other animals only have heterosexual relationships, well then by God so should we.

11/24/2009 8:15:20 PM

Thinking Allowed

Here’s what is intolerant. Same-sex “marriage” is being forced upon us by a small, but elite, group of individuals dressed in black robes—judges—who say that thousands of years of human history have simply been wrong. That is a very arrogant notion that will bring great harm to our culture.

Newsflash for you Slick. Churches can still hold the right to perform or not to perform the marriage rites/ritual without fear of the government stepping in and saying "You have to marry homosexual couples." If they did that, then they violate the establishment clause. That small, but elitegroup of individuals dressed in black robes know this. They also know they have to uphold civil rights to the group you want to keep away from those very same rights.

11/24/2009 8:48:25 PM

Old Viking

You're getting yourself all in a sweat. Marriage is a civil contract. God and churches got involved way late in the game.

11/24/2009 8:53:23 PM

Sasha

Considering that homosexual relationships exist in a staggering variety among mammals and birds, Nature appears to be extremely tolerant. Do some research before you spout complete crap.

And lay off the "elite" slur. It's old, it's stale, and it just makes you look paranoid.

11/24/2009 9:33:35 PM



A. Then nature itself is intolerant. Marriage has not been “imposed” upon culture by some religious institution or government power from which it needs to be “set free.” It was established by God, is enforced by the nature which God bestowed upon mankind,

Yes, despite being a legal institution, marriage was totally not made up by humans; it just spontaneously appeared along with the rest of modern civilization at the beginning of time.

Wait, no. You're full of shit.

11/24/2009 9:59:03 PM

CitationGranted

Marriage was stolen by Christians.
Not only were same-sex unions permitted by ancient cultures, it is seen in nature everywhere with animals enjoying gay loving too.
What is intolerant is a bunch of ignorant fools who take an old book of jokes as law and take away the basic human rights of their fellow men and women because of said silly beliefs.

11/24/2009 10:51:59 PM

CitationGranted

Browser hiccup. Sorry about the double post.

11/24/2009 10:52:05 PM

Thejebusfire

Then nature itself is intolerant.

There are gay animals in nature. Infact, the higher a population the more homosexual animals said population will produce.

Marriage has not been “imposed” upon culture by some religious institution or government power from which it needs to be “set free.”

Is that why religion keeps spending so much time and money on keeping gay marriage illegal?

It was established by God...

Then why is it you people have no problem with atheists or other non-religious couples getting married? And why is it that Christianity, has one of the highests divorce rates in America?

is enforced by the nature which God bestowed upon mankind

Sex occurs in nature, not "marriage". Marriage is a man made thing.

Here’s what is intolerant. Same-sex “marriage” is being forced upon us by a small, but elite, group of individuals dressed in black robes—judges—who say that thousands of years of human history have simply been wrong.

First off, gay marriage isn't being "forced" on you. Churches will not be forced to preform gay marriages any more than they are forced to preform atheists marriages.

Second, many ancient cultures supported homosexuality including Rome.

11/24/2009 11:18:00 PM

starpuppy

Contrary to myth, Christianity's concept of marriage has not been set in stone since the days of Christ, but has evolved as a concept and as a ritual.

In addition to heterosexual marriage ceremonies in ancient church liturgical documents, were ceremonies called, among other titles, the "Office of Same Sex Union" (10th and 11th century Greek) or the "Order for Uniting Two Men" (11th and 12th century).

These ceremonies had all the contemporary symbols of a marriage: a community gathered in a church, a blessing of the couple before the altar, their right hands joined as at heterosexual marriages, the participation of a priest, the taking of the Eucharist, a wedding banquet afterwards. All of which are shown in contemporary drawings of the same sex union of Byzantine Emperor Basil I (867-886) and his companion John. Such homosexual unions also took place in europe in the late 12th / early 13th century,

11/25/2009 12:02:23 AM

starpuppy


11/25/2009 12:05:40 AM



As a matter of fact, plenty of things that were believed for "thousands of years of human history" have been proven wrong. You once could be burned at the stake for saying the earth revolved around the sun, but with knowledge, we've moved on. You should too.

11/25/2009 12:30:03 AM

Mihangel apYrs

obviously the wrong "elite, group of individuals dressed in black robes" setting the agenda.

Pastors are obviously the right people to write laws

11/25/2009 12:31:53 AM

Eden

But your bible says that not "Marriage = 1 Man + 1 Woman" but rather "Marriage = 1 Man + x Women" with x >= 1(there are lots of example of this which can befound in the old testament)

So shouldn´t you rather propose marriages in some kind of muslim style (where a man can have multiple wives) instead of being supporter for monogamism?

11/25/2009 12:36:58 AM

aaa

Ehhhh.

11/25/2009 12:44:01 AM

werewolf

Before you can cite a deity as proof, you must first present evidence that the deity you cite exists.

Otherwise, it's utter bullshit.

11/25/2009 1:55:55 AM

Clown

Ok.
"Here’s what is intolerant. Same-sex “marriage” is being forced upon us by a small, but elite, group of individuals dressed in black robes—judges—who say that thousands of years of human history have simply been wrong. That is a very arrogant notion that will bring great harm to our culture."

Same could be said about: a)Slavery.b)Women rights to vote and work. c)racism

Also, prove existence of God and that G0d did it.

11/25/2009 2:59:09 AM

Brenz

If you're going to argue from nature, I hope you like polygamy.

11/25/2009 4:31:42 AM

Rayne

Too...much...fail. Shields...damaged...can't hold....

11/25/2009 4:38:44 AM

CJ

Nobody is forcing same-sex marriage on you. If you don't want to marry someone of the same sex, nobody is going to make you.

11/25/2009 5:54:54 AM

Orion

"Then nature itself is intolerant."

Which means we should be as well? I thought we aspired higher than that.

11/25/2009 6:26:59 AM

The L

Marriage was invented by small tribal communities for the sole purpose of establishing the paternity of children. After all, if Man A and Woman B swear to never have sex with anyone else, Man A knows all Woman B's children are his, and not Man C's. This avoids the undesirable condition of two half-siblings unknowingly committing incest.

Later on, people started preaching that this form of partnering for life was ordained by their specific gods.

11/25/2009 6:37:18 AM

Mister Spak

Here’s what is intolerant. Christianist "marriage" is being forced upon us by a small, but elite, group of individuals dressed in dresses—priests—who say that thousands of years of human history have simply decreed by a giant man with a long white beard who lives on clouds. That is a very arrogant notion that has brought great harm to our culture.

Fixed.


11/25/2009 6:47:38 AM
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