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[In regards to a South Carolina judge's decision to ban the "I Believe" license plate featuring a cross and stained glass.]

So the persecution of Christians continues. Even in the nation that proclaims itself to be that of "freedom of speech".

It is quite ok, and no one listens to the discrimination complaints, on those who have Florida Seminole picture plates or Atlanta Braves plates or Cleveland Indians plates or any of the other many and sundry of plates that depict the American Indian in a negative light. Not to mention those who have plates that bear the Confederate flag, yes bet most of you God haters outside of Alabama, Georgia, Lousiana, Maryland, Mississippi, North & South Carolina, Tennesee & Virginia didn't know that they all have that option! Probably don't care either!

Yet the symbol of the most peaceful Man to ever walk the face of the Earth is not allowed to adorn a license plate?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Something is radically wrong here!!!!!!!!

God wins in the end guaranteed, South Carolina News 61 Comments [11/24/2009 7:26:52 PM]
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CatAnon

Teh gubment caem an' tuk ma...license plate?

11/25/2009 5:28:13 AM

Mister Spak

Lets put muslim crescents on licence plates. That might lead to some insight on your part.

11/25/2009 6:40:54 AM

Kat

"So the persecution of Christians continues."

Oh would you please stop claiming it's persecution when you don't get it your way? Seriously? You are making Christians in the United States look like a bunch of sissy crybabies that throw a tantrum when you don't get your way.

You don't know what true persecution looks or feels like, and may God help you if you actually get inot a situation of true persecution.

11/25/2009 7:31:06 AM

RFP15

@Dr. Razark:

The same legislature that approved the Christian plate also barred plate designs that promoted belief systems other than Christianity. This is why these plates were banned.

11/25/2009 7:52:17 AM

Catherine

Just wondering...the plate with the cross and stained glass wasn't mandatory...right? If it was just one of several options the citizens could choose from, then I don't see why it should be banned, so I'm not entirely against everything the guy says here.
Aside from that...he needs to shut the heck up about "persecution" of Christians. Banning a license plate is hardly "persecution".

11/25/2009 8:08:05 AM

Haseri

Somehow I don't think they'd object to a licence plate honoring Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi.

Or Doctor Martin Luther King.

11/25/2009 8:22:32 AM

Zeus Almighty

If there's an "I don't believe" tag option then I'm OK with yours.
How about it?
Yeah, I thought so.


11/25/2009 8:40:02 AM

Horsefeathers

"So the persecution of Christians continues."

That's not persecution. That's someone doing the job they've sworn to do.

"Even in the nation that proclaims itself to be that of "freedom of speech"."

They're not inhibiting your freedom of speech. They're preventing a government fucking agency from promoting your religion. You're still entirely free to slap any idiotic religious paraphernalia you'd like onto your car.

"It is quite ok, and no one listens to the discrimination complaints, on those who have Florida Seminole picture plates or Atlanta Braves plates or Cleveland Indians plates or any of the other many and sundry of plates that depict the American Indian in a negative light."

None of those are violating the establishment clause. If someone doesn't like those plates they're quite free to bring a civil suit against the state for it.

"Not to mention those who have plates that bear the Confederate flag, yes bet most of you God haters outside of Alabama, Georgia, Lousiana, Maryland, Mississippi, North & South Carolina, Tennesee & Virginia didn't know that they all have that option! Probably don't care either!"

No, I didn't know that but it doesn't surprise me. "The South shall rise again!" or so they keep telling me. Judging by the mess that most of it is in educationally, economically and socially I can't say I see that happening anytime soon.

"Yet the symbol of the most peaceful Man to ever walk the face of the Earth is not allowed to adorn a license plate?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?"

Why would anyone want Gandhi on their license plate?

Oh, wait. You meant Jesus. There's that whole religion thing again and the government not being able to promote it.

"Something is radically wrong here!!!!!!!!"

Yes. Your understanding of the situation. And your exclamation point key, apparently.

11/25/2009 9:59:18 AM

Dr. Shrinker

So order a custom bumper sticker that says "I Believe." They are not very expensive, and there is no law against putting one on every car you own. Heck, order a crate of them and hand them out at church, its perfectly legal.

Ah, but its much more fun to whine "the government isn't doing what I want!" Solving problems for yourself is too much trouble, isn't it? You're right, something is wrong here, but not in the way that you think.

11/25/2009 9:59:33 AM

GodotIsWaiting4U

You are NOT being PERSECUTED. The issue here is that license plates are issued by the state, which cannot endorse a religious opinion. It CAN, however, allow people to make political statements

11/25/2009 10:16:17 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

" ... Not to mention those who have plates that bear the Confederate flag, yes bet most of you God haters outside of Alabama, Georgia, Lousiana, Maryland, Mississippi, North & South Carolina, Tennesee & Virginia didn't know that they all have that option!..."

Take Maryland out of that list of treasonous, southern states, you ignorant swine! That's my home state you're libeling. Maryland was NOT -- I repeat NOT -- a confederate state, and this state most certainly does not issue license plates with that obscene flag. The vast majority of well-educated liberals who live in this True Blue, mid-Atlantic state don't take kindly to being lumped in with states being promoted as bastions of bigotry by some ignorant little funditard.

11/25/2009 10:47:15 AM

Zeus Almighty

@ Jezebel's Evil Sister

He also forgot to include Texas in his list of traitor states.

11/25/2009 12:52:44 PM

smartz

This is not an abuse of the 1st Amendment; if anything, this is upholding it. Remember, one of the clauses state no law can be made that respect or prohibit religion. License plates, which are government issued ID for vehicles (meaning by law), must abide by government rules, including appearance which is unique to each state. A cross and stained glass window are symbolic to Christian religion, so putting them on a license plate is effectively estabilishing a religion of the state, which is illegal.

This ban is not prohibiting anyone's right to practice religion or right to free speech, as we are still able to do both. You just can't impose religion to a product that belongs to the government, which is non-religious as an entity.

11/25/2009 2:25:41 PM

Chatvert

Remove Northern Virginia at least from your list of traitor states. Please and thank you. It's not my fault we're still a part of this Southern craziness. We should have seceded when West Virginia did.

(And I'd much rather be living in my home city, next-door Godless DC, thanks very much.)

11/25/2009 5:50:36 PM

shykid

Sure, Alabama is hardly a bastion of liberalism or a beam of Great Blue Hope, but most of the people here still veer further left than you. Go to Huntsville, Dothan, Montgomery, or Birmingham and spout this melodramatic shit. You'll likely get crazy looks as you're laughed right out of the city.

Seriously, only in your delusional little mind do most people in the South really think this way, save for the isolated rural areas where the closest thing they have to neighbors are trees, cows, and bales of hay. Even then, it's probably because the solitary confinement has driven them mad, much like yourself.

Also, as for your self-sanctimonious tripe about the superior religiosity of Southerners, my state is more or less the buckle of the Bible Belt, and it has the highest rate of regular church attendance in the country, yet it's still less than 50%.

11/25/2009 6:06:29 PM

Evil Pirate Captain Mel

"Yet the symbol of the most peaceful Man to ever walk the face of the Earth is not allowed to adorn a license plate?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?"

Please prove that jeebus ever really existed.

11/25/2009 6:38:14 PM

Dr. Shrinker

@ Troy who is masquerading as Chatvert

"Don't worry about who God is yet or even if He exists,"

I don't

"...just realize the universe needs a cause and can't come from nothing."

Why not? What makes you such an expert? And, for the thousandth time why should we apply this notion to the universe and not to your god?

"Let me know if you have reached that point yet."

Don't patronize me Troy.

"If you were to find a cause for radioactive decay or whatever, you would still say something else could happen all by itself."

And you point here is...? I mean, science always provides you with more questions to be answered. Religion may provide final answers, but they are meaningless answers, so why bother?

"Are you like a 3 year old?"

I said don't patronize me.

"There is observably proven trillions of causes in nature and no hard evidence something (in nature) comes from that which does not exist."

That doesn;t prove god. It only means that there are more questions to be answered. An inquisitive mind embraces this fact. I dull mind hides its face in the corner and screams for an easy answer. that is all your god is, an easy answer to soothe your fears.

"Why shut your mind down to this fact?"

See my above response and tell me who is shutting their mind.

"Why don't you like fact-based overwhelming preponderance of evidence that is beyond a reasonable doubt?"

I do, that is why I reject your god. Your god is a supernatural entity and thus incapable of being examined by natural evidence.

"e.g. throwing a baseball. Try it out, throw a baseball."

And that would prove what now?

"Why do you need to know all things to know if the universe requires a cause?"

Who the @#$! said that?

"That's stupid."

I agree. Why did you bring it up?

"Stop avoiding the question. Only God could know all things."

Why should I assume that god exists? Your screed begins by telling me not to think about him.

"You make yourself out to be God then."

Your god does not exist. if I am wrong, then show me your god.

"How obnoxious and pompous!"

But spamming this stupid screed on every thread you can find isn't? You've got some weird ideas of those words mean.

"You don't care about logic do you?"

Do you even know what that word "Logic" means? Your screed does not suggest that you do.

11/25/2009 6:43:05 PM

Jack D

I like your choice to use nine question marks together with eight exclamation points.

11/25/2009 6:48:59 PM

freako104

"So the persecution of Christians continues. Even in the nation that proclaims itself to be that of "freedom of speech".
"


If it had been Pagan, Muslim or anything non Christian you'd be whining you ass off. And you are not persecuted. You insult those that were including Christians under Nero.


And as a Marylander,please shut the fuck up. Go to Montgomery County. It is very diverse and not just Christian.


The cross was a symbol of torture. I wonder how Jesus would feel seeing that everywhere, especially around Christians necks, and on churches.

11/25/2009 8:49:32 PM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

Hey, freako104

We're neighbors! Anyone else from Montgomery County here?

11/26/2009 10:34:00 AM



*So the persecution of Christians continues. Even in the nation that proclaims itself to be that of "freedom of speech".*


You people always claim to be the "True Patriotic Americans" so how come you're always bashing and whining about everyone and everything in it?

11/26/2009 3:15:23 PM

JT

>>Even if they are obvious copyright infringement.

You can't be told to take something down because it's copyright infringement. They can only tell the company to stop making them

11/26/2009 3:19:48 PM

JT

>>>I can't flout the Constitution?

Definitely an overstatement for a cross on a license plate.

11/26/2009 3:23:37 PM

Moondog

I wasn't aware of this. What is it about South Carolina? I saw something similar parked in my Boston neighborhood. A car from South Carolina with the words, "In God we trust" on the plate. A lawsuit waiting to happen.

11/26/2009 4:18:18 PM

Pup

I think it may have had more to do with the stained glass and cross than anything. License plates need to be easy to read and things like that shouldn't be in the way.

You want to express your belief on your car, get a bumper sticker like everyone else.

11/27/2009 8:53:25 AM
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