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[The ninth commandment says we should never bear false witness against our neighbor (or anyone). But if the Nazis are looking for Jews, and you know where they are, it would not be wrong to lie, in order to protect them, nor would this be bearing false witness “against” someone]

If we love God, we should obey Him (John 14:15). To love God first means to obey Him first—before looking at our neighbor. So, is the greater good trusting God when He says not to lie or trusting in our fallible, sinful minds about the uncertain future?

Consider this carefully. In the situation of a Nazi beating on the door, we have assumed a lie would save a life, but really we don’t know. So, one would be opting to lie and disobey God without the certainty of saving a life—keeping in mind that all are ultimately condemned to die physically. Besides, whether one lied or not may not have stopped the Nazi solders from searching the house anyway.

As Christians, we need to keep in mind that Jesus Christ reigns. All authority has been given to Him (Matthew 28:18), and He sits on the throne of God at the right hand of the Father (Acts 2:33; Hebrews 8:1). Nothing can happen without His say. Even Satan could not touch Peter without Christ’s approval (Luke 22:31). Regardless, if one were to lie or not, Jesus Christ is in control of timing every person’s life and able to discern our motives. It is not for us to worry over what might become, but rather to place our faith and obedience in Christ and to let Him do the reigning. For we do not know the future, whereas God has been telling the end from the beginning (Isaiah 46:10).

Bodie Hodge, Answers in Genesis 72 Comments [11/24/2009 7:30:07 PM]
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Nihlum

Ah a doormat, excuse me while I wipe my feet on you.

11/24/2009 7:34:07 PM

Philbert McAdamia

WHAAAAAT? Satan couldn't touch his what? without the Jebus' approval?


> In the situation of a Nazi beating on the door, we have assumed a lie would save a life, ... So, one would be opting to lie and disobey God ... whether one lied or not may not have stopped the Nazi solders from searching the house anyway. <

So, point out the Jews and obey God and the nazis at the same time. A win/win for this fundie. Gott mit uns.

11/24/2009 7:40:02 PM

The Bad Guy

This is funny coming from Answers in Genesis, and organization specifically dedicated to LYING to people about science.

11/24/2009 7:41:45 PM

The Bad Guy

[My computer keeps double-posting, sorry]

11/24/2009 7:42:35 PM

Doubting Thomas

Well, better to betray the Jews anyway, because they're just a bunch of big-nosed, greedy, Christ-killers.

So basically what you're saying is that we should let God allow people to kill others because they're different because we're all going to die anyway.

11/24/2009 7:50:33 PM



All authority has been given to Him

This is why fundies creep me out. Never think for yourself! Accept the word of God as infallible and do whatever he says, even if he tells you to murder your own son! *shudder*

11/24/2009 7:52:29 PM

szena

Ah, so God approved of the holocaust, approves of legalized abortion, approves of gay marriage in the places where it's allowed, and so on. None of it could have happened without his say.

11/24/2009 7:55:35 PM

tracer

... but lying for Jesus is perfectly okay!

11/24/2009 8:08:30 PM

WMDKitty

And you'll know we are Christians by our love....

11/24/2009 8:17:17 PM

Old Viking

They never seem to notice that their God is a total dork.

11/24/2009 8:22:28 PM

The Jamo

Right, unless of course your god does NOT exist and lying to the Nazis WILL save a life. If your god really was omniscient then whether you lied or not would not make any difference, and if a god was to condemn you for lying in order to save an innocent life from an evil force then it's your god that deserves to be destroyed.

11/24/2009 8:54:55 PM

Berny

Fortunately, some Jews were spared the Holocaust because not all Christians were dicks, like Bodie Hodge, and they placed their lives on the line to protect them.
If they're in Hell, your god is an asshole.

11/24/2009 9:50:36 PM

Biryu

So, basically, he's agreeing that a good Christian should have let the nazis nurder Jews. Nice to know that.

11/24/2009 10:07:12 PM

Sasha

So all true Christians are spineless informers. Good to know.

11/24/2009 10:21:34 PM

Hakar

Be bold! Be vigilant! Behave!

11/24/2009 11:02:24 PM

Trask

Gott mit uns! Blut fur den Blut Gott!

11/24/2009 11:35:38 PM




Damn, the Bible really is a dangerous thing in the hands of a fool. This one actually gives me chills.


Bearing false witness against one's neighbor is not a commandment not to lie, it's a commandment not to tell a malicious or accusatory lie about somebody else to bring harm to them.

And if you're going to bring Jesus into it, then you'd better re-read the part about whatever help/food/shelter/charity you do for the least among us, you also do for him--which would mean he pretty much said to do the exact opposite of turning your neighbor over to mass murderers.

11/24/2009 11:39:58 PM



Yeah. Methinks he'd come up with quite the opposite interpretation of that commandment if the Nazis were banging on the door and he was the Jew.

11/24/2009 11:46:08 PM

Thejebusfire

"Consider this carefully. In the situation of a Nazi beating on the door, we have assumed a lie would save a life, but really we don’t know. So, one would be opting to lie and disobey God without the certainty of saving a life—keeping in mind that all are ultimately condemned to die physically"
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Or you could die in the Jew's place.
Oh wait, thats something christ did.

11/24/2009 11:46:46 PM

Cymraes

What about Rahab? (OT) She lied to save Joshua and others from beoing caught by the Jericho authorities and was rewarded by being kept safe, together with her family, when the Hebrews flattened the city. The letter of James (NT) refers to her as an example of great faith. So sometimes God actually condones lying - if you do it for the "right" reasons, perhaps?

11/25/2009 12:39:07 AM

aaa

I see you don't have a spine.

11/25/2009 1:08:25 AM



"Nothing can happen without His say."
So all the evil in the world IS God's fault, then?

11/25/2009 1:10:59 AM

PWEOTWEB

Up against the wall, you fucking Nazi-loving waste of carbon.

11/25/2009 2:16:39 AM

Clown

And this proves what a sick puppy you are. And also proves that you can "prove" any point with bible.

11/25/2009 2:43:04 AM

Rockbottom

I thought I would never really hate someone, but this is just too much.. Bodie, please die.

11/25/2009 2:47:04 AM
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