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People often forget that the tiniest sin against a perfect, eternal God is intolerable. That ANYONE is allowed to enter heaven is an incomprehensible act of mercy.

DanteAlighieri, Catholic Answers 66 Comments [11/25/2009 1:33:00 PM]
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refuter of fundy vermin

'People often forget that the tiniest sin against a perfect, eternal God is intolerable. That ANYONE is allowed to enter heaven is an incomprehensible act of mercy.'

This jackass is trying to out-fundy the fundy fuckwits!


11/25/2009 8:34:25 PM



Er, no, it's not. I believe you're confusing perfection with depraved cruelty, and mercy with torment. It does not follow that a perfect being (if one such existed, anyway) could not tolerate the existence of imperfection in other individuals. In any case, anyone who's killed as many people as God has is not perfect in the least.

11/25/2009 9:57:36 PM

Skyknight

For those of you trying to comprehend Alighieri, keep in mind that the usual conceit is that "perfection" means "pristinity"--that is, no irregularity or the like. The reason even the slightest sin is supposed to be intolerable is that it would make Heaven cease to be utterly pristine. (Granted, there's Anselm of Canterbury's argument that since we owe God infinite gratitude for our very existence, regardless of condition, any disobedience must be an infinite abomination, but I think the pristinity element holds as well.) I think the problem here is that they think that if something isn't pristine, it must necessarily be in a state of decay and/or insanity.

(Anyone care to correct my suspicions?)

11/25/2009 10:49:02 PM

The Bad Guy

If the god of the bible is perfect, just imagine how horrible and pathetic the non-perfect gods are.

11/25/2009 10:55:42 PM

aaa

Perfect? Bah.

11/25/2009 11:23:52 PM

Swede

With that username, are you sure you are not guilty of pride or arrogance (superbia)? Will people remember you and your accomplishments eight hundred years from now?

11/25/2009 11:48:47 PM

Clown

I don't get it. If anyone can get into "heaven" does it mean that everyone will get into "heaven"? You know, if we look at your logic: the tiniest sin is intolerable => everybody goes to hell.

11/26/2009 2:02:32 AM

The L

Has Dante been comparing notes with John Edwards? Because this sounds exactly like "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God."

This also sounds like why I suffered from suicidal depression in my teenage years for "not being worthy." "Say the word and I shall be healed," in my mind, was always followed by, "But what if he doesn't?"

So yeah, if Dante wants more depressed teens and more disillusioned ex-Catholics, he should keep right on saying that.

11/26/2009 4:45:40 AM

LDM

@Dr. Shrinker & Blue J

Did I miss something here?

11/26/2009 4:51:06 AM

nutbunny

Well you can stick heaven up your god sized arse. I'm going to play with Satin

11/26/2009 6:03:33 AM

Panz

So making people imperfect to sooth your need for perfection overrides the "love" he's supposed to have for us?

You're not a terribly smart person, and with that attitude, not a terribly good parent

11/26/2009 7:06:06 AM

Dr. Shrinker

@ LDM

Post #1063125 was a rebuttal to a particularly insipid fundamentalist spam which appears to have been deleted. In this case, the spammer posted under your name (he/she posted under my name on several threads). Sorry for the confusion.

11/26/2009 7:06:16 AM



If that so, all the "pro-life", "Focus on anus" and crazy religious nuts will not be allowed to enter after all "Thou shalt not bear false witness" is on of their 10 commandments

11/26/2009 8:15:36 AM



if that so, all the "pro-life", "Focus on anus" and crazy religious nuts will not be allowed to enter after all "Thou shalt not bear false witness" is on of their 10 commandments.

11/26/2009 8:23:42 AM

Morrigan

Two options, either he thinks himself moraly superior to the rest of the world, or he lives his life in perpetual shame for not being perfect...

either way he is silent hill material.

11/26/2009 8:30:15 AM

John_in_Oz

@ Morrigan
Even after reading the Wikipedia article on 'Silent Hill' your allusion goes over my head. I'd love it if you could explain a bit more.

But yes, all Catholics live their lives in perpetual shame for not being perfect. It's referred to as 'Catholic guilt'. I suspect it strongly resembles Jewish Guilt, but how could I know?

@ Clown
He means it's surprising that it's surprising that everyone isn't banned, it's surprising that the there are some people who will be allowed in.

@ "Dante Alighieri"
My big problem here is, after Judgment Day, how long before some people go pinching apples again? Say among some of these death-bed converts?
You can't consistently say God will make them all sin-proof, or surely he'd do that right now and not send anybody to hell, right?
Of course according to Christians, He's a welsher on his deals.
He said "Kill my son for me and we'll call it square on the 'pinching apples' thing", but given that the people still die (our punishment for multi-great grandma Eve pinching apples), he hasn't written the debt off at all.

11/26/2009 10:19:04 AM

Noir the Sable

Well then! I'll be glad to know that, as a Korean, all my Shilla/Three Kingdoms/Goguryeo/etc. ancestors who have never heard of Christ due to their distance from the Middle East are now all burning in hell!

Thank you!

11/26/2009 12:20:16 PM

LDM

@Dr. Shrinker

Thanks, I figured that's what might have happened.

11/26/2009 2:06:35 PM

/)ø(/à

Pfft, Where not machines.

11/26/2009 5:08:28 PM

raindrops

Hey, if your god wants you, he can have you. After a certain time has passed in eternity, he'll probably realize his mistake and join us in hell.

11/26/2009 11:46:43 PM

Brenz

"Welcome to my house. Please take off your shoes. Nothing has ever gone wrong here, so it's quite a risk, I'm taking, inviting someone like you in, you being so flawed and all.

"What? No, I didn't design you like that. I merely designed your great-grandfather with the ABILITY to CHOOSE to do wrong, and once he did, everyone inherited his sin.

"Well you have original sin. It's your fault. In Adam's fall, we sinned all.

"Of COURSE I'm perfect. What kind of perfet God doesn't punish all subsequent generations for the failure of someone else with a cushy deal and a direct line to God?

"Anyway, I see here that you once lost your temper at someone who didn't deserve it, and took my name in vain. You're very lucky I'm letting you in."

Nope. Not the God I worship, that.



11/27/2009 12:53:12 AM

Priestling

Using the name of one of the greatest writers ever? Okay, you can DIAF. Now.

11/27/2009 1:37:15 AM

Antichrist


11/27/2009 1:57:00 AM



People forget that the above statement makes no sense whatsoever, specially if God is love and powerful at the same time. Either we have free will or not.

11/27/2009 2:35:11 AM

Pule Thamex

"People often forget that the tiniest sin against a perfect, eternal God is intolerable."

Since at every second of every day millions of sins, both tiny and large, are being committed, and that this has been the case for all time that mankind has existed and will be the case into the far future until mankind is extinct, then it must be perfectly tolerable to God. He wouldn't be a God if there was something intolerable to Him, unless you admit the possiblilty of a god with weaknesses.

11/27/2009 3:08:52 AM
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