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(on the topic of evolution)

Science or not, if there are different viable versions of your prized theory, and a consensus can not be found by exacting evidence alone, then we leave the realm of true facts and figures, and enter into the realm of Faith and personal belief. If your theory is nothing more than a system of scientifically based personal beliefs, then how does it differ than what other believe?

You can tell yourself otherwise but know, what you learn in your temples built to academic study is little more than a properly dressed religion.. Theories and facts are not, nor do they equate to truth. So unless there is definitive proof for whatever your speaking of, then basically you are excising faith, dressed to be something more substantial. Just know it is the same faith we choose to give to God.

drich0150, christian forums 43 Comments [11/25/2009 1:35:35 PM]
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Kat

Yeah, feel free to lie to yourself drich0150, but no one else (hopefully) is going to be fooled and the theory of evolution isn't going away.

11/25/2009 1:47:55 PM

Nathan the Wise

Facts don't equate to truth? And what are they not?

And learn what excise means.

11/25/2009 1:53:12 PM

Zeus Almighty

Well, there's always the fact that it's a hell of a lot more than the rantings and ravings of a bunch of pig-ignorant goat herders trying to write a manual dedicated to keeping people in line.

11/25/2009 1:53:46 PM

Doctor Whom

So you finally admit that you regard gravity as just a theory.

11/25/2009 2:00:19 PM



what you learn in your temples built to academic study is little more than a properly dressed religion

You mean universities & science labs? Better give back your computer, electricity, heating, flowing water, modern house, etc, and go live in a wooden hut then... cause you never know when it may all collapse because it's just 'faith'

11/25/2009 2:32:49 PM



I like how the religious always think that unless you can prove something to a 100% certainty then you are using the same faith they are using.

The options are:
1) Choose a belief based on no evidence and a lot of tradition.

2) Choose a belief driven by evidence, that will never be 100% certain, but can at least refer to the real world.

They are NOT equivalent.

11/25/2009 2:34:26 PM

smartz

Every time I see the word "theory" being bastardized the way it is by these guys, I just want to punch them through the internet.

Scientific theories explains the facts. In the case of evolution, we KNOW it occurs in life AS A FACT, but we aren't completely sure how it works in its entirity, so there is a Theory for that. One step higher, it would be a Law, meaning it works the same way every time like gravity. Considering the diversity of life on this planet, finding a Law of Evolution sounds highly improbable, so the current theory works great so far.

Faith and personal belief will not and can not explain the natural world. You can not have "faith that the sun will rise" or "believe grass grows" because WE KNOW they do through OBSERVATIONS. The existance of God is questionable at best, and you need to have faith to to be sure he exists, but you have no proof that he does exist BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT from scriptures based off of other scriptures ad infinitum written by ignorant men thousands of years ago.

11/25/2009 2:44:31 PM

GodotIsWaiting4U

If there are different viable versions of a single theory and a consensus cannot be reached by evidence alone, that means there isn't enough evidence yet, and that we should keep investigating the subject.

It ISN'T faith; that's the point. We don't know for certain that any of these things are the case; they just seem to be the best explanation accounting for all the data.

11/25/2009 2:46:45 PM

Old Viking

This one frankly admits they have no definitive proof of God.

11/25/2009 2:52:38 PM

WMDKitty

Science has, you know, EVIDENCE backing it up....

11/25/2009 3:49:21 PM

Kinderklein

We don't exercise faith, we exercise probability.

11/25/2009 4:37:26 PM

Osiris

Well guess what? Evolution isn't a personal belief. It's cold hard science and you just have to deal with that.

11/25/2009 5:21:58 PM

Panz

obviously you must be a sheep, because you're swallowing your preacher's bullshit hook, line, and sinker

11/25/2009 5:44:01 PM

Zoo

"Science or not, if there are different viable versions of your prized theory, and a consensus can not be found by exacting evidence alone"

Just because we don't have evidence NOW to decide between them (or to combine the parts that are true) doesn't mean we have to turn to faith. I like my idea and you like your idea, sure, and being humans (like you) scientists sometimes get attached to pet hypotheses, but that doesn't mean they're all based on faith either.

And how exactly, besides not being your "Truth", is a fact not the truth?

@smartz: you have the right idea, but a law in science is rather different than a theory. What causes gravity and how gravity works is a theory. Mathematical formulations of how gravity acts would be laws.

11/25/2009 8:10:55 PM

Vince

so there is no proof, and with out proof there is only faith, and unless you have proof, which is impossible, everything's a religion...

and yet you condemn all religions that aren't yours

and by your own logic you can't even prove your bible you claim to be "true" is even a real book.

real corner you've made for yourself here

11/25/2009 8:20:28 PM

Beeblebrox

...if...a consensus can not be found by exacting evidence alone,then we leave the realm of true facts and figures, and enter into the realm of Faith...

Incorrect. Scientists make their choice of which theoretical variation to work from based on convincing arguments and a preponderance of evidence. Faith is a belief predicated on an absolute lack of evidence.

11/25/2009 10:08:38 PM

The Jamo

Science or not, if there are different viable versions of your prized theory,

No, we're all pretty much in agreement that there is only one version of it... the one you don't like.

[...] and a consensus can not be found by exacting evidence alone, then we leave the realm of true facts and figures, and enter into the realm of Faith and personal belief.

No, like I just said, we do have a consensus on this. The fact that you choose to ignore it does not change any facts.

If your theory is nothing more than a system of scientifically based personal beliefs, then how does it differ than what other believe?

Unlike a personal belief, an acceptance of observed phenomena that are supported by tested, verifiable evidence cannot be compared to faith. Twist this all you want... it only makes you look stupid.

You can tell yourself otherwise but know, what you learn in your temples built to academic study is little more than a properly dressed religion.

Oh yeah, here we go again with the "science is religion" angle. Once again, we do not need faith to observe evolution in action. It happens every day and everywhere, from flu vaccines to extra veins in certain people's arms. Look it up.

Theories and facts are not, nor do they equate to truth.

If facts aren't true then what the hell is the point? And what the hell is this "truth" of yours? All we can ever hope for is some manner of stable understanding of the world based on what we can observe and test. The rest we're stuck with, unfortunately. It comes with the territory so deal with it.

So unless there is definitive proof for whatever your speaking of, then basically you are excising faith, dressed to be something more substantial. Just know it is the same faith we choose to give to God.

There IS evidence. Just go to www.talkorigins.org and prepare to shit bricks.

11/25/2009 10:16:15 PM

The Bad Guy

If evolution is based on faith, then why do I not give a shit whether it's true or not? Can you say the same about your own bullshit religion/ideology? Scientists being wrong about evolution does not make stupid fundies right about anything.

Oh sorry, there's that logic again. Damn you, temple of academic study for making people smarter!

11/25/2009 10:45:07 PM

aaa

I don't think real world works that way.

11/26/2009 12:55:33 AM

Clown

That's it. I'm dispatching the guy with clue-bat right away.

11/26/2009 2:07:27 AM



Facts don't equate to truth? Are you listening to yourself?

11/26/2009 3:42:24 AM

Kinderklein

@Tempus
Which is evident by the guy who tried.
God bless his patience.

11/26/2009 9:49:49 AM

John_in_Oz

Your faith in God is the same as my judgment about evolution? Wonderful! Show us his fossilised skeleton, his genome and taxonomy. Display the experiments performed, the results obtained, and the precautions taken against self-deception and fraud.
My word, you're going to have a whole lot of conversions from this site as you demonstrate the testable predictions from your God theory that are open to everybody, regardless of whether they are Christian, Atheist, Hindu or Agnostic.
You will of course need to modify your theory to make it consistent with other parts of Science, such as the value of pi, the spherical nature of the Earth, and the fact heaven isn't in outer space, but that should pose you no problem, since you're doing the same as me, right?

11/26/2009 9:54:48 AM

Headache

drich0150, you are an incredible idiot!

You are totally clueless about anything related to science, go back to first grade and take school all over and this time, pay attention, you idiot!

11/26/2009 11:32:31 AM

Canadiest

Things change over time; Proven
Any God; No proof, astondingly none


11/26/2009 2:23:54 PM
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