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Putting God second...even after your precious little munchkins...is a disaster waiting to happen.
How about being a patronising cock? Where does that rank on the disaster scale?
11/25/2009 11:53:02 PM
Actually putting an imaginary beings perceived needs before those of your "little munchkins" goes by various names like "neglect", "child abuse", "criminal negligence" and "abrogating ones duty of care."
11/26/2009 1:23:50 AM
Not killing children: political correctness gone mad.
11/26/2009 1:49:21 AM
I like the pure blindness of this post. There is no explanation, there is no citation, it's just: God is first and that settles it!
11/26/2009 1:58:47 AM
the old firm
The man himself said something like "Suffer not the little children!". But Fundies turn it always to "Suffer little children".
And you do dare to claim, that you are serving a kind, compassionate and loving God?
You disgust me.
11/26/2009 2:00:36 AM
I guess this is because all presents and joy come from god. The rest of humanity is totally worthless, all you need is the sky daddy!
Thankfully somebody was able to break free of this weirdness.
11/26/2009 4:44:09 AM
So, God is not only jealous of other gods he's jealous of our own children? I guess that would explain God's behavior towards humanity as a whole. Using Timber's logic God must put himself before everything and everyone else. A parent who puts himself before his children is no parent at all.
11/26/2009 5:03:36 AM
Others will have said it before me but I will add my voice to the chorus.
Nothing comes before my wife and children.
No contest, your non-existent god is not even on the list.
11/26/2009 9:00:37 AM
so...I do want to say that Timber's comment is hugely insensetive and self-righteous, and does not strike me as a remotely christian thing to say.
That said, however, I would also like to point out two things: the first is that putting God first and taking decent care of your kids are not mutually exclusive. Kids do not have to be the center of your entire life to be well raised. In fact they're probably better off if they're not the center of your life: it will make them more independent and you less likely to get burnt out.
The second is that, while I definitely think Vyckie's previous life was seriously unhealthy, I don't think her problem was that she was putting God first; I think her problem was her abusive husband and her fundie church. Having multiple children and submitting to your husband do come up in the bible, but they are not a significant theme in the gospels. The former shows up mostly in the psalms and the histories, and seems to be primarily cultural (having lots of children is much more valuable in low tech cultures.) The latter is primarily discussed in the letters of Paul (which many Christians consider to carry less weight than other books of the bible, since Paul never knew Jesus while he was alive, and was primarily interested in evangelism, rather than doctrinal purity.) Homeschooling, and homebirthing (and home everything else-ing) are not biblically mandated (sure they existed, but only because the alternatives didn't,) and working yourself to death is seen as actively bad (as shown by the recognition of a need for a day of rest, or the story of Mary and Martha.)
Again, I'm definitely not saying that you should have to make everything about God and ignore your children until they attempt suicide. But I do think that Vyckie's problems were related more to abuse, and to fundamentalism specifically than Christianity generally.
11/26/2009 11:39:57 AM
Noir the Sable
Response from a Christian (me):
So if God told you in a dream to go kill your wife, kill your kids, and then go down to the local elementary school and start shooting until the SWAT teams riddle you with bullets, you would do so, because not doing so would be risking putting human lives before God? Even if that just might be Lucifer with a very careful God disguise on?
11/26/2009 12:38:10 PM
Congratulations are in order for the woman who left Quiverfull.
11/26/2009 2:02:45 PM
See, when I hear the word "cultist", I usually think of something along the lines of "WE WEEL CAP-TYOOR IT FOR KAY-OSS", but then fstdt reminds me that cultists typically look perfectly normal to all external observation. They always give themselves away, however, when they open their mouths.
11/26/2009 3:08:59 PM
I'm betting Timber has no kids and is asshurt about it.
11/26/2009 3:40:54 PM
Good for that woman! It's always nice to see somebody finally managing to remove their head from their nether regions and come into the light of logic and common fucking sense.
11/26/2009 3:47:59 PM
The irony: the Quiverfull movement is, in fact, supposedly about having a large family. Guess the usual conservative ethos regarding kids applies here, too: in the womb they're sacred, but once you've pumped 'em out, who cares?
11/26/2009 4:12:01 PM
Brb, gotta go take a massive god...
*sounds of flushing*
What were we saying about god being number one?
11/26/2009 4:56:44 PM
Shut up and mind your own life.
11/26/2009 11:21:34 PM
Just cause God said "Be fruitful and multiply" doesn't mean He said "AND NEVER STOP."
There aren't many people in the Bible with more than a few kids, you maniacs.
11/27/2009 12:31:15 AM
And what if she decides not to worship him?, didn't God give her that option?. Let's be consequent. Besides, the same God said too that, if you don't love your brothers and sisters, THAT YOU SEE, and that includes children, you can't love a God you can't see. Of course, she said, clearly, that she abandoned a movement that pushed her daughter to suicide. That's food for thought.
11/27/2009 2:12:05 AM
That's how it's supposed to work. God gave us free will and, if she decides to leave the movement after a trauma, it's the logical "GOd's will" so to say. Think about that next time you scold people. Maybe it was the way God had to show that you're not in the right track.
11/27/2009 2:25:19 AM
"Putting God second...even after your precious little munchkins...is a disaster waiting to happen. "
Certainly, no doubt a perfectly laudable sentiment for one whose brain's snippits of thought and whose nebulous intellect swirls airily round a dense gravitational clumping of dogmatic lore based on a non-existent fantasy figure. An almighty .... what? An almighy nothing. In your case Timber, the phrase, nothing is more important than ones kids, takes on a meaning different to its usual one.
You're obviously a deranged clod, unfit to be in charge of children, ever.
11/27/2009 2:36:31 AM
Except these people aren't leaving it in God's hands, they're plotting and planning and making sure that they have sex on exactly the right day. Because if you don't have a uterus that you could park a truck in, then you're just not worthy.
11/27/2009 2:42:20 AM
It may sound strange from someone with four siblings, but why on earth didn't she stop?
11/27/2009 2:49:32 AM
Never heard about the quiverfull movement before...
but after reading about it, the Monty Pythons Sketch "Every Sperm is sacred" immediately scomes into my mind
11/27/2009 4:08:06 AM
Since when is having your priorities straight PC? Oh, sorry, this is a fundie we're talking to. No wonder a couple of those fundies advocate beating their kids every time they move a muscle. That damn baby trying to crawl up the stairs was cutting into my worshipping God time! To hell with her motor skills, who needs to walk in heaven?
Of my siblings with kids, one's athiest, one's agnostic and one's moderate christian. All put their kids first, and all of their kids are healthy, doing well in school, seem to be happy most of the time, and are well-behaved most of the time.
All of the fundie's kids I've ever known (though I have to admit it's not many considering the vacuum they live in) have turned out either knocked up or on drugs or both. I'm tempted to start a betting line on which Duggar will be the first to get a DUI. You know one of those Stepford kids (and wife) are bound to blow a gasket sooner or later.
Putting kids first doesn't necessarily mean being in their face every minute of every day, that can screw up a kid just as badly as neglect can. It can mean simple things like buying the kids shoes before you buy yourself that designer purse, making sure they have a healthy lunch and clean clothes instead of sitting on the computer all day, and just seeing them as individuals with different needs and interests instead of little dolls to be played with when you feel like, and shoved in the closet when you don't.
11/27/2009 4:24:17 AM
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