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[Trying to reconcile 'free' will and omniscience with the finest logic available]

Juliod, think about this. If God knew that you were going to have pancakes, that means that you, on your own free will, would chose pancakes over waffles. If God knew, you would have zero chance of eating waffles, because your free will would not lead you to having waffles. Think about that.

Americanrock61, Christian Website Talk! 22 Comments [9/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Redhunter

Quit bogarting the jay and pass it on.

7/3/2006 9:39:20 AM

NonProphet

What??
Do you even know what you're saying?

4/3/2007 6:22:36 PM

anti-nonsense

Yeah sure, that makes looooots of sense. Not.

4/3/2007 6:25:01 PM

Doctor Whom

In other breaking news, up is down.

4/3/2007 7:00:28 PM

cyborgtroy

I don't think free will exists. stfu.

1/10/2008 8:06:57 PM

Alarica

...... and Dr. Perry "Jesus" Cox Almighty said unto him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCNohqUHsac




1/10/2008 9:15:57 PM

GigaGuess

Huh? I think it's trying to communicate.

1/10/2008 10:07:23 PM

(H9)

Sounds to me like you don't really believe in free will.

1/11/2008 12:46:41 AM

green_meklar

So apparently determinism is the new free will.

Or something.

8/7/2008 9:19:21 PM

Funnyguts

Deterministic compatibilism is not the free will you Christians claim we have.

9/16/2008 3:03:26 AM

Grigadil

The contents of my pantry dictate what I eat, not some bronze age weirdo.

9/16/2008 3:39:44 AM

Kisare

That's not free will. you fail.

9/12/2009 6:26:58 PM

robland

If he really knows everything about everything before it happens, why does he
A) Get mad and vengeful?
B) Not get extremely bored?

4/23/2010 8:46:36 AM

Quantum Mechanic

"Think about that."

I tried, but I had to reboot.

4/23/2010 9:35:53 AM

Swede

What does God care about waffles versus pancakes? It's basically the same batter, really.

4/23/2010 12:05:21 PM

Canadiest

With that kinda freedom you can do just what God wants you to do. I see the root of Tea-Party dementia in this pretzel-logic. I don't know why they have no concept of freedom, but shit like this has been raising three generations of bent people

4/23/2010 3:51:47 PM

Allegory for Jesus

Accurate omniscience in regards to knowing future events inherently contradicts free will because it suggests that choices are predestined unless the knowledge of the future comes in terms of probabilities rather than certainties.

7/27/2010 12:57:19 PM

The Duelist

Uh oh. My computer just sent me this message;


WARNING: HIGHLY RETARDED SELF-CONTRADICTING ANOMALY DETECTED.

SCANNING COMMENT FOR ANY INTELLIGENCE WHATSOEVER...

*scanning*

..........
..........


NONE FOUND. NO HOPE THERE IS, FOR THIS ONE.
BUT DO NOT DESPAIR; THERE IS ANOTHER...........

8/7/2010 4:32:14 PM

Brain_In_A_Jar

That wouldn't be free will, though it might be the illusion of free will in a brain that was, nevertheless, entirely deterministic.

8/8/2010 5:16:43 AM

Justanotheratheist

Ok, I've thought about it. The inescapable conclusion is that you are talking complete crap and should shut up before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.

That definition of free will involves neither freedom nor will. What you are saying is that the decision to have pancakes was made for you by god. At least, I think that's what your are saying. If god was dictating that message through your fingers the silly old fool should take time out to study some basic English.

8/8/2010 11:05:50 AM

mugasofer

I don't get it. Maybe I read too much science fiction featuring time travel and the like, but I can understand that perfectly. Knowing about something and forcing it to happen are different things, after all.

I guess it's possible to define free will as paradoxically impossible to predict yet non-random, and I don't use the term myself to avoid confusion, but that's nonsense all on its own without needing to bring God or oracles or time travellers into the picture.

11/1/2013 6:09:18 AM

Dr. Shrinker

Although its very poorly stated, I think the poster is saying that god's foreknowledge of events doesn't mean that god is causing them, only that god is letting them happen. Its one way that many fundamentalists reconcile the contradiction of their gods goodness with the doctrine of hell. The exceptions to that are the Calvinists, who just love the idea of their god creating people for no other reason than to damn them.

11/1/2013 6:31:58 AM
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