GOD AND GUNS FOUNDED AND CREATED THIS COUNTRY, AND, HAS KEPT HER FREE FOR 230 YEARS, WHEN WE LOSE OUR GOD AND GUNS, WE WILL LOSE OUR COUNTRY !
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@aaa:
"You still have the most advanced military in the world..."
Except we don't. We are seriously lagging in many areas, particularly aircraft technology. In fact, the U.S. govt is currently pissed at Mexico for buying MiGs instead of the cheap-ass, obsolete surpluss crap that we've been selling them.
So, how many times have you actually been forced to defend your country, on your own territory, since you founded it? How many times have you been invaded by other countries?
Going half-way across the globe and killing people in their own coutry doesn't count.
230 years, wow! Little secular, gun-abhorring Sweden has been around for over a thousand years.
We have had a change of religion (two if you count Catholicism and Protestantism as different ones), and a change in how to write during our time as a country.
We can hardly understand the texts from the founding of our country (experts can, of course).
Understanding the texts your founding fathers wrote is no big deal, right?
Yeh, because freedom is having the right to be shot in the back of your head by a gun toting whackjob who thinks the voices in his head are from gawd . That's also why funerals are a such a big celebration, because we are celebrating the victims new found freedom.
Oh no, wait...
How about you finish waging your war against lowercase letters before you start waxing delusional about a perceived war on America?
Also, this feels so very Poe'y to me, but after witnessing the teabagger phenomenon, I'm not so sure this is a Poe. Either way, there are people really like this. And they vote .
GOD AND GUNS FOUNDED AND CREATED THIS COUNTRY
And yet not a single one of the founding documents so much as mentions any god at all, much less the christian god.
AND, HAS KEPT HER FREE FOR 230 YEARS,
I think US history is a bit more complex than "GOD AND GUNS, GOD AND GUNS, GOD AND GUNS!!! "
WHEN WE LOSE OUR GOD AND GUNS WE WILL LOSE OUR COUNTRY !
Who's trying to take then away you? Oh yeah, Fuckin' Nobody!!! No one in the govenment has so much as suggested that them confiscate anyones guns, or prevent them from worshiping whatever religious death cult the choose to. So, get down off your "I'm So Persecuted" high horse and join the rest of us in the reality based community.
@Tiny Jeebus: I meant the military as a whole, not just one part.
@Matante: Your grammar fascism makes Lady liberty cry.
You have three Latin languages spoken by millions of people on the continent, and any of them should have taught you that the USA can't be called HER. "States" have a masculine noun gender; the USA should be known as HIM (or THEM; plural) if you really want to anthropomorphise it!
Yes I am picking on the grammar because it is just that pointless!
> GOD AND GUNS FOUNDED AND CREATED THIS COUNTRY, AND, HAS KEPT HER FREE FOR 230 YEARS, WHEN WE LOSE OUR GOD AND GUNS, WE WILL LOSE OUR COUNTRY !
OH YEAH? *OUR* COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED WITH THE HELP OF BOOZE AND COFFEE! WE'VE HEARD THAT BOTH OF THOSE ARE PRETTY HAZARDOUS TO ONE'S HEALTH WHEN CONSUMED IN EXCESS, BUT DAMMIT, IF OUR FOREFATHERS USED THEM, SO SHALL WE! WE'VE NEVER NEEDED GUNS OR GODS! DO YOU THINK WE NEEDED GUNS IN THE CUDGEL WAR ? HELL NO! WE'VE NEVER NEEDED MORE THAN COFFEE AND BOOZE TO MAKE THIS COUNTRY GREAT! THAT'S MY STORY AND I'M STICKING TO IT! WHAT, ARE YOU QUESTIONING MY PATRIOTISM?
ALSO OUR COUNTRY HAS LONG SINCE STANDARDISED ON CHARACTER SETS THAT ARE CAPABLE OF LOWER-CASE LETTERS, BUT I PROVIDE THIS AS A COURTESY.
If all Americans thunk like this...
Time for STOP to face the truth. America, as a power, most likely has peaked. The climb to the peak tends to be brisk and relatively speedy. The loss of power and influence, leading to disintegration, can be fast or slow. The British Empire disappeared overnight. Rome declined over about 250 years until she collapsed in the West. The Eastern part of the Roman Empire got fresh wind and lasted until its pitiful remains collapsed in 1453. Its enegies had been sapped by religious infighting, the VIth Crusade (more religion) and just internal exhaustion.
So, I don't think America will collapse tomorrow, or next week. But attitudes like yours, and closed mentalities will certain help the process along.
@Matante: Actually, the anthropomorphic version of our nation, Columbia, has always been a woman. We can give him a pass on this, on the off chance he once skimmed a US history book.
@WWWWOLF: ACTUALLY THIS MAKES YOUR NATION SEEM VERY EXCITING. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS LAND FORGED IN ALCOHOL AND CAFFEINE.
"GOD AND GUNS FOUNDED AND CREATED THIS COUNTRY"
Not actually true, but if it were true, we should find ways to overcome that heritage.
Re: Xotan's post
A Russian Academitian has posted what he thinks what post-Breakup America will look like...
Basically, the U.S will fragment into smaller confedrations of several connected states, such as California & Washington State, though it's unsure if Alaska will become a part of Canada, or reverts to Russian control... (Professor Panarin, natrually enough, argues for the "return to Russia" option with regards to Alaska)
As for the Mexican purchase of Su-27's, for their navy, the United States offered at best a severely downgraded version of the F/16 for the equivalent cost...
(I think the U.S offer was of second hand Dutch F/16 A/B models, that had undergone a Mid life upgrade) .
Your countries already been sold to China, so stop your bitching and learn some Mandarin.
Also if Europe is so anti-gun, why do we import hunting dogs from there? Norway seems to be producing the best hunting Irish Setters in the world. We're still bringing in hunting dogs from Germany, France, Ireland, Switzerland, etc.
But then again I grew up with guns as a tool used for hunting and protecting livestock. Not a penis extension or something to hide behind because of the big scary world. I'm going to assume that this is also the general attitude in Europe.
@ antichrist
"...Also if Europe is so anti-gun, why do we import hunting dogs from there? "
Guns are generally under pretty tight control in Europe. But having a gun is not forbidden so long as the controls are respected. The difference between Europe and America is that probably most people in Europe don't feel they need or want a gun to ensure their personal safety. They are used rather for hunting, culling and ridding land of vermin. You hit the nail on the head when you said 'hunting'.
The OP seems to make the equation: God = guns = freedom. Europe would take a culturally different view on this. For one thing, God would be unlikely to enter the equation at all. And indiscriminate proliferation of guns would not be seen as in any way ensuring freedom: rather the opposite.
Europe's history teaches us that religion is not to be trusted. Religion caused wars, and wars mean guns... Get the picture?
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@ John_in_Oz
... In 230 years it will be free of Christian Fundies!
So, "soon", in other words. Sooner than Jebus, at any rate. *Whew* I can hardly wait.
@ Antichrist
Norway seems to be producing the best hunting Irish Setters in the world.
Uh, sorry to pick on one of ours, AC but wouldn't they have to be Norwegian Setters?
@tiny jeebus
We lag behind in aircraft military technology??? Sure dude, call me when those ruskies have B-2 stealth bombers and F-22 Raptors. Pfft, those beaners can buy those old migs. Just shows they were to poor or cheap to buy some decent ruskie aircraft (Sukhoi's). Military Industrial Complex, God I love it :)
@ Philber5t McAdamia
I'm hoping you were being a smartass, but incase you weren't (and because dogs is my favourite subject).
The Irish Setter was destroyed in North America, as are a lot of the hunting breeds. Turned into a long haired, brainless princess that wouldn't know what to do with a bird if it landed in it's mouth. The hair down to the ground is an absolute detriment in the field, but damn, it looks good doesn't it?
Friends of mine searched the world for the best Irish Setter they could find and ended up importing stock from Norway. Behold a real Irish Setter in all its glory
http://www.irishredandwhitesetterclub.org/norwegian%20gallery.htm
Note that some are red & white which is finally being accepted into North America as the "Irish Red & White Setter".
"GOD AND GUNS FOUNDED AND CREATED THIS COUNTRY, AND, HAS KEPT HER FREE FOR 230 YEARS, WHEN WE LOSE OUR GOD AND GUNS, WE WILL LOSE OUR COUNTRY !"
My country has been around infinitely longer than the US. And yet, we in the UK haven't had guns, nor do we need a 'God'. We're still here.
(Checks signatures on Declaration of Independence and Constitution.)
Sorry, your imaginary friend signed neither document. Now fix your keyboard.
@Giveitaday
And yet not a single one of the founding documents so much as mentions any god at all
Actually, the Declaration of Independence does make reference to "Nature's God." However, it's the Deist conception of god, not the Christian one.
Ummmm? No.
Aside from the genocide of the natives, this country was created to exploit its resources. Then, the colonies became too big and rich for the English to control. Frankly, it was more of a question of logistics than anything else.
If the British navy had steamships, and lots of them, we never would have succeeded in a rebellion. It would have helped if George III wasn't such a incompetent scumbag too.
Collecting guns like baseball cards and inserting Jesus into every conversation, it all breaks down the same point; fear.
America was most certainly NOT founded through fear.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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