Re: High School students "9/11" t-shirts:
Normally i would say it doesn't matter what they wear as long as there's no swearing on the shirt or anything else that is vulgar. But since these were arab-american students, you have to believe they did this on purpose to get a response out of it! They should be punished.
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Why don't you just put your white hood on and set them on fire, caroljo??? They're damned if they don't show sorrow over 9-11 and damned if they do. And you do realize that every person of Middle Eastern descent is not even Muslim, right???
Why don't you just put your white hood on and set them on fire, caroljo??? They're damned if they don't show sorrow over 9-11 and damned if they do. And you do realize that every person of Middle Eastern descent is not even Muslim, right???
Didn't you guys know? Brown people are unable to show any emotion other than satisfaction at making white people piss their pants.
I can imagine they wore that shirt as a sign of their sorrow over the 9/11 tragedy and to distance themselves from people who (ab)use their religion to commit atrocities. Just like you'd try to distance yourself from people who did terrible things in the name of YOUR religion... Oh wait, RR, nvm.
Wow, the fundies in that thread are actually saying they 'need more information' in order to make an informed judgement on the situation.
The universe is going to explode in 5...4...3...2...1...
Wow, the fundies in that thread are actually saying they 'need more information' in order to make an informed judgement on the situation.
The universe is going to explode in 5...4...3...2...1...
Oh please, the t-shirt was a statement of defiance against terrorists that want to make Americans cower in fear. If this was done by a right wing nuthub, like WND, these shirts would have sold out ages ago.
Some are withholding judgement pending more evidence. Others on the other hand are operating on the basis of deciding what conclusion they want to eventually reach prior to looking at it.
I wonder where they got that habit from?
Oh, and as far as the ages of the students go:image
I've seen the T-shirts, they were for the 2011 graduating class (I believe) so it wasn't just the Muslim students wearing them. Basically the shirt was an 11 made out like two buildings with the school hawk flying into them.
DEARBORN, Michigan At least nine Detroit area high school juniors are in trouble for wearing sweat shirts bearing a design that evokes the terrorist attacks that destroyed the World Trade Center's Twin Towers.
Dearborn Public Schools spokesman David Mustonen has told The Detroit News and Detroit Free Press that the shirts the boys wore to Edsel Ford High School on Monday are "offensive" an More..d in "poor taste."
The boys are Arab-American, as are about half the school's 1,700 students.
They belong to the 2011 class. On the shirts, the number 11 resembles two buildings, with the school's "Thunderbird" mascot flying toward them. Printed beneath the image are the words, "You can't bring us down."
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8f0_1262798103
I have not found anything on the Internet that explains the students thoughts behind this.
no-one has the right NOT to be offended.
Fuck, us gays have to put up with it continuously from arseholes like this!
Are they memorial t-shirts or are they trying to make a joke out of the incident?
EDIT: Thanks for the pic Antichrist. I personally feel that the design's in somewhat poor taste, but I don't feel that any student should be punished for wearing them.
The shirts looked patriotic to me (maybe it was the whole "you can't bring us down" message.) I note that some of the posters agreed with me, and most seem to have actually thought about it, at least a bit. RR demonstrating critical thinking: A rare event! RR posters deciding something is offensive just because it's done by scary brown people: not so rare.
More RSTDT that FSTDT though.
I love the resoponse that jackson64 gave.
I will also leave out any judgement however I will give my first impression:
The shirt shows the twin towers, and a QUOTE "you can't bring us down" which I believe was made after the first attack on the World Trade Centers in the 1990's...since the plane hasn't hit the towers yet on the T-shirt but the quote has already been made...it seemed to me that the message is one of spite or "we'll show you" attitude...I took it as VERY, VERY mocking..but that's just my take...
Reminds me of a favorite quote from Blackadder:
As the good Lord said: "Love thy neighbour as thyself, unless he's Turkish, in which case, kill the bastard!"
Uh, no. The t-shirt is supposed to represent the Class of 2011 , and showing how the class "can't be brought down".
Also from that thread:It's misguided, but keep in mind, these kids are 17, which means they were 6 when 9/11 happened. "
LOL!
Oh, so only pink skinned Americans can mourn the tragedy of 9/11? How so very Caucasian of you.
I suppose you have no idea that there are Arab Christians, as Arab is ethnic/Country, and christian is the religion, and not mutually exclusive.
I find the shirts confusing but not offensive. The worst I can get out of it is a badly-done metaphor, and really, I don't expect high school students, even Arab ones, to be brilliant thinkers.
Should they be punished for their badly-done metaphor? No. Their design shouldn't be the official one for the class, but assuming the worst of them is probably the wrong way to go too.
Like other people have mentioned, just because someone is of a certain ethnic background doesn't mean you can assume anything.
I'm Italian (Scilian)American orignially from NY. I suppose you would automatically assume that I'm part of the mafia and still have family in Brooklyn who might like to visit you with a baseball bat to the knees?
Why would you have to assume this? Because you're a racist?
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Grief you Americans are a thin skinned bunch.
I thought the t-shirt was quite cool. To me it showed that even with the trade centre disaster you cant keep the american people down. Thats what I thought when I saw it.
Why must Americans (organisation at least not individuals) try and remove all reference of that event from exsistance?
What did the shirts say? The article doesn't mention if they just showed the towers, like a sweatshirt bought 15 years ago would, or if there was a 9/11 joke or attack on it. Their vagueness me to believe the former.
Freedom of speech applies to all or to none caroljo, think about that. Either you have to accept that people can express themselves in ways you find offensive, or knock off with the offensive whining that all brown people are evil, all educated people are stupid and nobody outside the Christian faith is worth two bob!
As for the shirt its self, I can see how it might upset people, but it looks to me to be a statement of defiance in the face of terrorism, something that seemed sadly lacking in the Christian Right in the USA in the immediate aftermath of Sept 11 (no, removing your own freedoms, being so twitchy around anyone browner than you that you can't share a plane with them and acting like the biggest jerk in the UN is not defiance, getting on with your life without major adjustment is).
Okay...
For one side, yes, the shirt is in poor taste. Definitely insensitive to the victims of the terrorist attacks, I will not deny or mitigate that.
HOWEVER. It is a bunch of teenagers. They wanted to make a powerful statement, to say that they are tough, indomitable, etc, and unfortunately, went to a rather inappropriate place. Nothing more. No big Muslim conspiracy to rub salt in a wound, no evil brown person attack on your delicate sensibilities.
It is seventeen year olds, being seventeen year olds, and making a bad decision. Period.
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