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The United States' laws are based on Biblical laws, including the First Amendment allowing us to worship freely. The fact that this was founded as a true Christian nation is what makes it the best place on Earth for Jews, atheists and Muslims alike. And all of this is why people like the ACLU are not anti-religion--they're anti-Christian.

Steven Crowder, YouTube 51 Comments [1/29/2010 2:03:10 PM]
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Canadia

The ACLU fights for your rights too, you know.

Oh, and they aren't anti-religion OR anti-Christian, but I sure am after being subjected to all this bullshit.

1/29/2010 2:08:12 PM

Doctor Whom

This four-ounce bottle of Steven Crowder brand ultra-concentrated fail has as much fail as this 16-ounce bottle of the leading brand.

1/29/2010 2:10:38 PM

AverageAtheist

Thou shalt not have any gods before me... That's what you call freedom of religion?

1/29/2010 2:11:37 PM

aaa

You are wrong in very many ways.

1/29/2010 2:15:59 PM

clockworkgirl21


1/29/2010 2:18:15 PM

JSS

*sigh* Here we go again.

1/29/2010 2:18:20 PM

John

The ACLU defends the First Amendment for Christians, too. They won the right for a prison inmate who was a Pentacostal minister to preach to other prisoners. They liberated a minister who got 3-10 years for writing an article attacking a judge and saying what he thought God would do to the judge. They successfully defended someone who was banned from a bus for reading his Bible aloud. They won a fundamentalist Baptist library worker's right to refuse to participate in a library Harry Potter reading. There are dozens more cases.

The United States' laws are based on Biblical laws, including the First Amendment allowing us to worship freely.

Since when do Biblical laws allow people to worship freely? "Whoever of the children of Israel, or of the strangers who dwell in Israel, who gives any of his descendants to Molech, he shall surely be put to death. The people of the land shall stone him with stones." (Lev. 20:2)

1/29/2010 2:20:07 PM

oop

Thirteen colonies settled mostly by various religious groups that were persecuted in Europe. Each religious group, upon arriving, then immediately passed laws against the other religious groups.

Should the founding fathers let them battle it out in religious wars like those that had already ravaged Europe? No, they simply decided that if the colonies were ever to come together as a nation, divisive religious laws had to be dumped by everybody.

1/29/2010 2:23:02 PM

MK

Wow, there is not a single ounce of "correct" in any of this.

1/29/2010 2:25:21 PM

Eden

You obviously never read the bible...
there was only one free worship in the bible, the worship of YHWH.
Prtophets and believers in other gods have to be killed, also all inhabitants of villages in which people diodn´t kill prophets for other gods.

1/29/2010 2:30:44 PM

Reckoner

FAIL! The first amendment clearly clashes with the first 3 commandments. God's law is that you are only allowed to worship him and no other gods. He's a bit of an attention whore, I guess.

1/29/2010 2:34:06 PM

emau99

[The United States' laws are based on Biblical laws]

For example?

1/29/2010 2:37:12 PM

Rat of Steel

(Steven Crowder -- OP)
"The United States' laws are based on Biblical laws, including the First Amendment allowing us to worship freely."

(John)
"Since when do Biblical laws allow people to worship freely? 'Whoever of the children of Israel, or of the strangers who dwell in Israel, who gives any of his descendants to Molech, he shall surely be put to death. The people of the land shall stone him with stones.' (Lev. 20:2)"


Methinks you misunderstood Steven there. The key words there are "...allow us to worship freely.", with "us" being read as "Christians". Steven Crowder seems to be one of those who honestly think that the phrase "freedom of religion" means "freedom to choose what kind of Christian you want to be".
(rolls eyes)

1/29/2010 2:47:54 PM



The ACLU has fought for the rights of Christians, no matter how hateful. It's just another of the organizations FOX News has told you is evil, so you reflexively demonize them based upon no facts, just like you do with ACORN, Move-On, and others. You clearly know nothing about U.S. history, the Constitution, or the ACLU, so you really should just shut up.

1/29/2010 2:49:25 PM

Xotan

"...allowing us to worship freely. "

Why do I feel Steven Crowder does not mean what this means legally?

In my book, if I worshiped Satan, Ashtoreth, Bobd Dearg or Brighid I would feel entitled to claim the protection of the First Amendment in the US constitution - assuming I were in the US, that is.

I have a niggling doubt that Mr. Crowder would not be happy with that.

1/29/2010 2:55:51 PM

Zeus Almighty

I think this argument boils down to this: "All the Muslims, Jews, Catholics and atheits are allowed to worship Jesus freely as much as they want to."

(Kinda like they say gay men are free to marry women).


1/29/2010 2:58:04 PM

Murdin

Poor Steven Crowder, everybody's laughing at him and nobody tries to help him, or even to understand him... Yet I'm sure we can make something less stinky out of this bullshit.

Let's look at it this way :


"The United States' laws are based on Biblical laws"
Wrong.

"The fact that this was founded as a true Christian nation"
Wrong.

"best place on Earth for Jews, atheists and Muslims alike."
Wrong.

"And all of this is why people like the ACLU are not anti-religion--they're anti-Christian."
Wrong.


But !


"The United States' laws [...] including the First Amendment"
True !

"the First Amendment allowing us to worship freely"
True !

"people like the ACLU are not anti-religion"
True !

"this was founded as a [...] place on Earth for Jews, atheists and Muslims alike."
True !


See ? The correct stuff was just here, hidden under the fecal matters. Now, we just need to bring some slight corrections to Steven's message, in order to remove the bad things and put more emphasis on the good ones.

"The United States' laws include the First Amendment allowing us to worship freely. This was founded as a place on Earth for Jews, atheists and Muslims (and Christians !) alike. People like the ACLU are not anti-religion."

1/29/2010 2:58:50 PM

Doubting Thomas

This makes absolutely no sense. So the fact that the First Amendment states that there can be no establishment of religion means that this is a Christian nation? And being a true Christian nation (aka theocracy) would not be good for Jews, Muslims, or atheists. Look at what happened in the Puritan settlements in the 1600's.

I seriously believe that fundies like this guy believe that "freedom of religion" really means "freedom of Christianity." That's the only way you could construe biblical laws allowing people to worship freely. "You can worship any god you like, as long as it's my god."

And has been pointed out, the ACLU fights for the rights of Christians, too.

1/29/2010 3:08:38 PM

Thinking Allowed

Citation needed there Steve.

1/29/2010 3:15:17 PM

I Read About The Afterlife

I don't know why they can't realize that the ACLU protects their rights as well. If ever we were in a situation where christians were ACTUALLY being oppressed, ACLU would have their backs.

1/29/2010 3:34:05 PM

Sisyphus

The ACLU fights for christian rights too ya know. Stop crying wolf ffs.

1/29/2010 4:06:08 PM

Mudak

A few years back, The Onion had an article about the ACLU defending a Neo-Nazi group's right to burn down ACLU headquarters.

Sad that a satirical newspaper can more accurately represent the ACLU than this nitwit.

1/29/2010 4:34:36 PM



Yeah, freedom of religion is a Christian ideal rather that attempting to convert everyone who doesn't think like you and threatening to kill/torture them and their families or harassing them if they don't.

1/29/2010 5:07:59 PM

Osiris

What was the First Commandment again? Have no gods before God? How the hell does that allow for religious freedoms?

1/29/2010 5:09:57 PM

EllwyenDarwin

Why is it that the ACLU is only good when their defending christians and jews?

1/29/2010 5:28:46 PM
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