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Here are two official slogans or mottos. As I rehearse them for you, ask yourself where these originated.

* “Politics do not belong in the church.”

* “The church must be separate from the state.”

These mottos did not come from the ACLU, nor from Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, nor from the Freedom from Religion Foundation. No, these slogans, word for word, came directly from the mind of Adolph Hitler. These were official slogans of the Nazi Party, adopted in the mid-1930s and relentlessly hammered into the minds of the compliant German population by the Nazi propaganda machine. In essence, what Hitler said to German pastors was this: “I don’t care what you teach your congregations, as long as you don’t talk about politics, and as long as you keep your voice inside the four walls of your churches.”

Why did Hitler do this? For one simple reason. He knew that the only force in Germany which could keep him from fulfilling his totalitarian ambitions was the church of Jesus Christ. He knew that if could not silence the voice of the church, he could not exercise total domination over the German people. He also knew that if he could silence the voice of the church, nothing could stand in his way. The church and its leaders meekly capitulated to this form of tyranny, and 25 million people died as a result, six million of them Jews. Secular fundamentalists in the United States know the same thing that Hitler knew. The only thing that stands in their way of the total takeover of our culture, the final removal of any mention of God from the public arena, and the shredding of the last remains of our Judeo-Christian value system, is the church of Jesus Christ.

Bryan Fischer, American Family Association 88 Comments [1/30/2010 4:01:03 PM]
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Fanatic-Templar

word for word

I thought Hitler spoke German?

1/30/2010 5:41:27 PM

Tyler

Wow...major Godwin. I swear, these guys will compare ANYTHING to him just to make it look bad....

Know what WAS a motto of the Nazis though?



Dipshit.

Even - EVEN if he wasn't Christian, his Nazi soldiers were MOST CERTAINLY Christian. You lose.

1/30/2010 5:41:36 PM

Rat of Steel

(David B.)

"But will that little fact stop you telling the same lie in future? Of course not."


Of course he won't. Speaking of lies (since we're already on the subject of Hitler quotes), Hitler also said, "the great masses of the people will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one". Fundies know and understand this, at least on a subconscious level, which is why so much of their rhetoric is so utterly mind-boggling to those of us who actually think for ourselves.

1/30/2010 5:50:10 PM

Rat of Steel

*double-post deleted*

1/30/2010 5:50:21 PM

Murdin

@Tyler : like some young children, fundies believe that everyone on Earth instinctively speak their own native language (i.e English), and that "foreign languages" are fancy things only used by "foreign" people to confuse and/or hide information from "normal" people.

1/30/2010 5:51:07 PM

Nowonmai

Hey, braintrust, The Separation of Church and State pre-dates Hitler by several hundred years, or did that gem of a fact escape you?

1/30/2010 5:57:49 PM



Some interesting quotes from Mr. Hitler:

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

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"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

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In the Bible we find the text, 'That which is neither hot nor cold will I spew out of my mouth.' This utterance of the great Nazarene has kept its profound validity until the present day.

-Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich, 10 April 1923

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We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls.... We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 October 1928, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]

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The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc, because it recognized the Jews for what they were".... I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the church and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions.

-Adolf Hitler, 26 April 1933, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]

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National Socialism has always affirmed that it is determined to take the Christian Churches under the protection of the State.... The decisive factor which can justify the existence alike of Church and State is the maintenance of men's spiritual and bodily health, for it that health were destroyed it would mean the end of the State and also the end of the Church.... It is my sincere hope that thereby for Germany, too, through free agreement there has been produced a final clarification of spheres in the functions of the State and of one Church.

-Adolf Hitler, on a wireless on 22 July, the evening before the Evangelical Church Election

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The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.

-Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party (quoted from John Cornwell's "Hitler's Pope"

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We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933

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Imbued with the desire to secure for the German people the great religious, moral, and cultural values rooted in the two Christian Confessions, we have abolished the political organizations but strengthened the religious institutions.

-Adolf Hitler, speaking in the Reichstag on 30 Jan. 1934

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We have experienced a miracle, something unique, something the like of which there has hardly been in the history of the world. God first allowed our people to be victorious for four and a half years, then He abased us, laid upon us a period of shamelessness, but now after a struggle of fourteen years he has permitted us to bring that period to a close. It is a miracle which has been wrought upon the German people.... It shows us that the Almighty has not deserted our people, that He received it into favour at the moment when it rediscovered itself. And that our people shall never again lose itself, that must be our vow so long as we shall live and so long as the Lord gives us the strength to carry on the fight.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech to the "Old Guard" of the Party at Munich on 19 March, 1934

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The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavour to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren ), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of to-day.

-Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda

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No, it is not we that have deserted Christianity, it is those who came before us who deserted Christianity. We have only carried through a clear division between politics which have to do with terrestrial things, and religion, which must concern itself with the celestial sphere. There has been no interference with the doctrine (Lehre ) of the Confessions or with their religious freedom (Bekenntnisfreiheit ), nor will there be any such interference. On the contrary the State protects religion, though always on the one condition that religion will not be used as a cover for political ends....

National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary it stands on the ground of a real Christianity.... For their interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness of a community in our national life... These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles! And I believe that if we should fail to follow these principles then we should to be able to point to our successes, for the result of our political battle is surely not unblest by God.

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech at Koblenz, to the Germans of the Saar, 26 Aug. 1934

etc etc etc

Hitler was a Christian. Get over it.

1/30/2010 6:06:49 PM

Mudak

Both of the quotes listed above come from exactly one source: A book entitled "The Nazi Persecution of the Churches, 1933 - 1945," by John S. Conway.

While I haven't read the book in its entirety, I can state that this book is available for review on Google Books. link

What I can say, just having given the book a perfunctory review, is that this book (or more accurately, inaccurate readings and partial interpretations of this book) appears to be the origins of all claims that Hitler was an atheist (which we must admit we see with a disgusting regularity...) Theist or atheist, Hitler's public pronouncements surrounding religion clearly demonstrate that, regardless of his personal views, he saw it as necessary -- even vital -- to allowing for his personal rise to power.

1/30/2010 6:07:04 PM

Cupcake

As I recall, Soviet Russia did a pretty good job of kicking Hitler's ass in WW2, and they were a bunch of godless commies.

1/30/2010 6:41:07 PM

Old Viking

Germany was a thoroughly Christian country. Thus its armed forces and SS were thoroughly Christian. And if Christianity could have prevented Nazism, why did it meekly capitulate?

1/30/2010 6:59:50 PM

Sisyphus

Hitler also fancied himself an artist and an architect and a vegetarian.

Therefore: art is evil. Architecture is evil and vegetarians are evil!

This is fun no wonder they do it so often!

1/30/2010 7:18:29 PM

Table Rock

That whole article is comedy gold. My favorite part is when he states that at the time when the U.S. was founded, 99.8% of the population were Christian and the other 0.2% were Jewish.

1/30/2010 7:36:16 PM

BobsOldSocks

Liar.

Without christains the Holocaust could never have happened. Why? Because there would have been no one to drive the trains to Auschwitz-Birkenau, Bergen-Belsen, Buchenwald and the other death camps. Who built those camps? Christains. Who manufactured Zyklon-B? Christains. Who skinned fellow human beings alive? Christains.

Do not christains have freedom of will and independence of conscience? Would any decent person - of *any* religion - just nod their head and do whatever their leaders told them to do without question in the full knowledge that horrendous torture and death was to be inflicted? They would if their religion had conditioned them to accept such barbarity, such inhuman suffering. And guess what? That's *exactly* what the christain religion did throughout Europe for centuries before the nazis came to power. Martin Luther - just like his later name-sake - was a vile and unrepentant anti-Semite who advocated the murder of Jews. He got his wish. Because of christains.

1/30/2010 7:47:11 PM

Wehpudicabok

I wonder how much research you have to do to know how to spell your subject's name. I also wonder what that says about the plausibility of your arguments.

1/30/2010 8:08:07 PM

szena

"We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."

Adolf Hitler- October 1933

"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith.... We need believing people."
-- Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933

"The Government of the Reich, which regards Christianity as the unshakable foundation of the morals and moral code of the nation, attaches the greatest value to friendly relations with the Holy See, and is endeavouring to develop them."

-Adolf Hitler, speech to the Reichstag, 23 March 1933

Sound familiar?

1/30/2010 8:12:24 PM

Malkyrian

Lying for the Lord, lying for the Lord, we shall come rejoicing, lying for the Lord.

1/30/2010 8:22:59 PM

Agnostic Jew

Hitler anti-Christian? Hardly. Though, ironically enough, the guy who started Christianity was someone Hitler would have hated and sent to a concentration camp if he had happened to appear in Germany during the time of the Third Reich.

Yup, Jesus was a Jew.

1/30/2010 8:44:47 PM

Kitty

I thought you guys loved him since you're so adament about hating the Jewish.

1/30/2010 9:12:41 PM

refuter of fundy vermin

The American Fundy Association - another Christo-fascist organization. Again, they ignore Hitler's own quotes in Mein Kampf, which openly stated that by segregating and ultimately murdering the Jews, Hitler proclaimed, 'I am fulfilling the Lord's Work'.

Fundamentalist Christians in the United States know the same thing that Hitler knew. The only thing that stands in their way of the total takeover of our culture, the enforcement of mandatory prayer to the fundy God from the public arena, and the shredding of the last remains of our democratic institutes, is the separation of church and state.

FIXED.

1/30/2010 10:08:13 PM

rcpilot

The rest of this diatribe is just more fail. Goes on to claim that the establishment clause only applies to congress. No, dipshit, unless you think freedom of speech, assembly, the press and the right to petition can be taken away by state and local governments. Also ignores the idea that official government support is tantamount to an establishment of religion. No, dipshit, unless you're friendly to the idea of every single religion out there having their hands firmly entrenched in government. (I'm sure that'll go over well for everyone who's a minority religion in their area.)

I'm just really sick of the blindness this exemplifies. In our business regularly dealing with business owners who are more conservative than your average Joe, we can't even run a 'coexist' bumper sticker on our cars much less outwardly state what we really believe in (agnostic theist plus a couple of atheists, family business so we come from the same mold) for fear of lost business. But on the other hand we regularly donate large chunks of time to a nun who runs a non-profit to help get battered/low income women back on their feet. Who's the real Hitler? (Hitler is, but, you're the one that started godwinning.)

1/30/2010 10:43:33 PM

Raffello

*snort* Yeah, as long as the church had an army of millions equipped with rifles, planes, submarines, and artillery. Dream on, Bryan Fischer.

1/30/2010 10:52:40 PM

Mrs. Antichrist

Even evil men can have good ideas. Not every single ideology held by the Nazi party was racist and evil.

At any rate, I would love to see proof that Hitler ever said those things.

1/30/2010 11:49:38 PM

Orion

Please to note Brian: The part of Hitler that made him "evil" was that he undertook actions understood by wider humanity to be "evil". Acts and opinions held by Hitler do not become evil because he held them anymore than slaves become moral because George Washington owned them.

1/31/2010 12:05:55 AM

John_in_Oz

Yeah, and your founders putting in that first amendment- they were like Hitler too.
See my point?

1/31/2010 12:12:13 AM

SleepNeed

Since "Gott Mit Uns" belt buckle and button got taken already. Here is a picture of Pope Pius XII with Hitler:


1/31/2010 2:04:56 AM
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