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Coded references to New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ are inscribed on high-powered rifle sights provided to the United States military by a Michigan company, an ABC News investigation has found. The sights are used by U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the training of Iraqi and Afghan soldiers.

"We believe that America is great when its people are good," says the [Trijicon] Web site. "This goodness has been based on Biblical standards throughout our history, and we will strive to follow those morals."

Trijicon, ABC News 32 Comments [2/8/2010 5:18:09 PM]
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Killing in the name of Jesus....

2/8/2010 5:35:10 PM

Old Viking

Those biblical standards include slaughtering Native Americans at every opportunity, instituting wars of aggression against Mexico and Spain, cheerfully maintaining slavery, fighting against women's right to vote, and supporting Prohibition, the greatest failed social experiment in world history.

2/8/2010 5:36:29 PM


@ Tyler

Of course, didn't you know? Jesus told people to kill each other en masse. It is the only way to satisfy the hunger of his blood-god father/self.

2/8/2010 5:37:18 PM


Um...considering that many of the Founders were deists and Freemasons, it's probably better to say that it's been based on a syncretic set of ideals, including Christian and Hellenic ones. But not exclusively those.

2/8/2010 5:43:35 PM


If Trijicon really believed in that kind of proclamation, they would have "JESUS IS LORD!" stamped in giant bright day-glo letters on all their products.

Instead, they append an abbreviated citation to a Bible verse to the end of a tiny serial number, e.g. "76T483RHH821JN3:16".

Talk about hiding your light under a bushel!

2/8/2010 5:55:43 PM


Oh great another America=Christian numbnut. What the hell happened to the melting-pot?

2/8/2010 6:13:12 PM

Table Rock

So now they're treating rifle sights like Christian fortune cookies. What? No lucky numbers?

2/8/2010 6:36:40 PM


That coded reference stuff is crap.
Who made up that B.S.?
It's no doubt that some jerks believe it.

2/8/2010 7:04:30 PM


I guess they've convinced themselves that breaking the law and ignoring the First Amendment are "moral". The 9-11 bombers thought they were doing God's work, too.

2/8/2010 7:15:25 PM

John, ignoring the first amendment? It's a private company. They can put whatever the hell they want on their scopes. Anyone bitching is on par with fundies complaining about "killing god" in the golden compass movie.

2/8/2010 7:38:05 PM

Street Sharks

I love how they ominously refer to it as a "coded reference". CNN called it a "secret Bible code" too. Not defending Trijicon but c'mon, the chapter/verse thing should be common knowledge. It isn't some cryptic secret code.

2/8/2010 9:22:45 PM


But when Muslims do similar things it's a sure sign of their fanatical delusions, am I right?

Although I do want to meet the person who was anal enough to figure out what the SN was referring to.

2/8/2010 9:40:51 PM


Because distracting soldiers with religious shit on their rifle sights is a great idea, right?

2/8/2010 9:55:27 PM


Don't do that anymore. You can stamp those things to your consumer products, but not on the ones going to the military. It's just bad PR for everyone involved. Next time, stamp "555-BOOMHEADSHOT" on them.

2/8/2010 11:08:01 PM


The point of the controversy is that Muslim soldiers refuse to use sights marked that way. Even after having that explained to them, Fundies don't see the problem.

2/9/2010 1:24:58 AM

David B.

"We believe that America is great when its people are good," says the [Trijicon] Web site. "This goodness has been based on Biblical standards throughout our history, and we will strive to follow those morals."

Unless that was immediately followed by a statement that Trijicon was switching over exclusively to the manufacture of ploughshares, you're a hypocrite.

2/9/2010 2:58:14 AM


I'm sure Jesus loves what you're doing with his message of peace.

2/9/2010 3:05:28 AM

TB Tabby

Goodness based on Biblical standards:

-Slavery is A-OK.
-Genocide at the drop of a hat is fine and dandy.
-Women are less valuable than cattle.
-Rape is hunky-dory...BEING raped is not.
-Taking underage girls as love slaves is not just okay, it's encourages.

2/9/2010 3:10:27 AM

Correct if If I'm wrong but, since when killing people is good or moral?

2/9/2010 3:24:01 AM


a) If the USA is trying to avoid giving creedence to allegations of a 'Christian Crusade' against Islam this is a spectacularly dumb thing to do.

b) My understanding was that these sights were also on rifles being supplied to Iraqi and Afghan soldiers, who are predominately Muslim.

One of the triggers for the Indian Mutiny of 1857 was the rumor that ammunition for rifles was greased with beef or pork fat, this was a major issue for Muslim or Hindu troops when the cartridges had to be bitten open.

Which ever way you look at this it is sheer stupidity.

2/9/2010 3:58:36 AM


Coded? Why coded?

@ Tyler

Jesus said he brought a sword. Would a rifle not do instead? :-)

2/9/2010 6:08:44 AM


It's good to murder innocent women and children in order to protect America's interests in oil way of life? o_O

@1112236: They may be a private company (and they can stamp whatever they want on their stuff for the general public) but they're fulfilling government contracts and supplying rifles which are being used in a government war. Therefore: keep jebus out of the Middle East.

2/9/2010 7:41:56 AM


I think the first amendment problem is that the government are buying from this private company.

Like, its fine for a company to make christian cross tombstones only but not for the government to buy them and make all soldiers have them.

2/9/2010 8:24:10 AM

Doubting Thomas

Why didn't they ever put Ex. 20:13 on the rifle scopes?

Oh and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taih2zUOmIM

2/9/2010 8:25:42 AM

I read about the afterlife

Yeah because when Jesus said, "Those who live by the sword also die by the sword," he only was referring to swords.

2/9/2010 8:29:46 AM

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