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It's important to realize that atheism is a religion. It is a worldview. It is a matter of faith.

The agnostic shrugs and says, "I really have no idea about this God stuff. Have a nice day."
The atheist, however, believes to the depths of his soul that God does not exist. He stakes his very existence of this "fact" and makes it central to his existence. He cannot really know one way or the other, but the important point is that he believes.

Our broken society currently treats his belief in the non-existence of God as somehow more "legitimate" than my belief in the existence of God. The schools are full of the beliefs of atheists, but cannot be associated with the beliefs of churchgoers.

The First Amendment protects him as much as it protects me -- but it does not protect him more than it protects me.

ClearCase_guy, Free Republic 70 Comments [2/2/2010 9:11:20 PM]
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#1108908

WMDKitty

And yet all the evidence you can provide, all your "proof" of god, does nothing but prove atheists right.

2/2/2010 9:14:16 PM

#1108911

Tyler

No, we don't. We have no belief regarding it. Stop telling us what we believe. You're only reminding us exactly why we're NOT religious.

2/2/2010 9:18:36 PM

#1108912

ME

It's important to realize that churchism is a religion. It is a worldview. It is a matter of faith.

The agnostic shrugs and says, "I really have no idea about this God stuff. Have a nice day."
The churchist, however, believes to the depths of his soul that God exists. He stakes his very existence of this "fact" and makes it central to his existence. He cannot really know one way or the other, but the important point is that he believes.

Our broken society currently treats his belief in the existence of God as somehow more "legitimate" than my disbelief in the existence of God. The schools are full of the beliefs of churchists, but cannot be associated with the beliefs of non-churchgoers.

The First Amendment protects him as much as it protects me -- but it does not protect him more than it protects me.

~FIXED~

2/2/2010 9:18:57 PM

#1108917

The First Amendment protects him as much as it protects me -- but it does not protect him more than it protects me.
Yes your are completely correct. But then when there is an Atheist billboard or poster put up in public do you people protest it saying that you are being persecuted.

2/2/2010 9:23:40 PM

#1108922

Arctic Knight

Theist = Belief
Atheist = No belief
Gnostic = Knowledge
Agnostic = No knowledge

The two terms are not mutually exclusive and can be used together. I am an agnostic atheist.

Gnostic theist = Someone who claims to have knowledge of the existence of a deity and believes in a deity.

Agnostic theist = Someone who does not claim to have knowledge for the existence of a deity yet believes in a deity.

Agnostic atheist = Someone who does not claim to have knowledge for the existence of a deity and does not believe in a deity.

Gnostic atheist = Someone who claims t have knowledge of the (non) existence of a deity and does not believe in a deity.

Atheism is not a religion, is not a world view and is not a matter of faith. Atheism is a default position, non-belief.

2/2/2010 9:27:42 PM

#1108926

MK

Well, if we remove everything from the schools that is atheistic - that is, does not make mention of God - we'll just have to close the schools entirely.

I think that's not what you were aiming for, but it's where you'll end up with that ignorant attitude.

2/2/2010 9:32:02 PM

#1108935

Mudak

But we're all atheists. I guarantee you that there's at least one god out there -- probably millions of them -- that someone believes or believed in, and yet you don't. Unless you're an adherent to literally every religion out there, you're an atheist and not a part of that religion.

You just believe in one more god than I do.

2/2/2010 9:43:43 PM

#1108936

Sophie

Wah, wah, society's broken, blah blah. Nothing new here.

@MK

I don't know about ClearCase_guy in particular, but many a fundie would love it if those ebil secular schools shut down.

2/2/2010 9:44:46 PM

#1108942

You can`t believe in not believing. It`s an oxymoron.

And it`s not treated as more legitimate as any other choice. The reason why religion isn`t taught outside of classes that directly deal with it is because each religion has their own worldview that conflicts with others, and in terms of science only secular findings can be backed up with actual observations and experiments.

2/2/2010 9:53:07 PM

#1108946

Darwin's Lil' Girl

You did not make a clear case for yourself.

2/2/2010 10:01:35 PM

#1108956

The First Amendment protects him as much as it protects me -- but it does not protect him more than it protects me.

Then everything is good, as far as I can see...have a nice day.

2/2/2010 10:30:28 PM

#1108963

The Jamo

How the hell would YOU know what I make central to my existence? I simply do not believe in your monster of a god. That's it.

2/2/2010 10:45:19 PM

#1108979

Musicalbookworm

So close yet so very very far away.

2/2/2010 11:21:59 PM

#1108980

moose

Lets see.....atheism is a world view? So is chocaholism. People who love chocalate. Are they a religion? What are they? Cocoaist?

The atheist believes that gawd does not exist. Just like Santa Claus. Afterall, we cant see, hear, smell, measure in anyway, etc, a santa clause. he leaves no evidence beyound conflicting folk lore. Therefore we dont believe in something that has no signs for being there. So...lets suppose, that although I see, smell, hear, et al, nothing on my chimney, YOU believe that yes, in fact, Santa Clause could be there. Yet somehow, my belief that santa claus really is not on my roof near my chimmey (well, cant be seen leastaways) That it is just as legitimate as a fact that santa claus exists as that which states that he does not exist.

Well, I disagree "clearcase-guy" (very ironic name). I contend that there is more "fact" that santa claus who shows no signs of being there, says nothing, leaves no evidence, etc is good evidence for the non-existence of gawd. So you are telling me that the fact that there is NO evidence for your gawd.....is just as much proof that gawd exist?

2/2/2010 11:26:48 PM

#1108982

campbunny

Relevance please.

2/2/2010 11:30:17 PM

#1108989

Schools teaching science courses based upon fact rather than altering the lessons to conform to your religious beliefs is not the same thing as the schools being "full of atheists' beliefs".

2/2/2010 11:35:00 PM

#1108999

Ken

Having no faith means I have a faith?

2/2/2010 11:54:31 PM

#1109008

aaa

I have a question to the freeper: What is your knowledge of atheism?

2/3/2010 12:16:55 AM

#1109010

myheadhurts

Phew, good thing I'm a she or I'd have to argue with you.

2/3/2010 12:28:49 AM

#1109020

To be fair, he's got a point, what with all those tax-exemptions for atheist churches, and the fact that professing belief in God makes it virtually impossible to be elected to a high office (have we ever had a theist president?).
Even the pledge of allegiance states: One nation, under no god of any sort.
There's definitely a societal bias going on here.

Oh, and Happy Opposite Day! Or rather, Not-Opposite Day!

2/3/2010 12:39:50 AM

#1109024

Thrutch

I am an atheist but I do not have faith or belief except in logic and the scientific method. These principles are consistent and using these principles has led me to conclude that there is no God. I am led to this conclusion because there is no logic, evidence or need for an external entity to explain the universe, life or death.

This faith and belief is not a religion because I do not worship or plead with these principles to make things better or worse. I do not think that chanting, mantras, prayers or actions will lead me or my descendants or others to immortality or an afterlife.

Christianity, Islam, Sikhism, Jainism, Hinduism, Buddhism et al. do require one or all of these methods (chanting, mantras, prayers, pleading, actions and worship).

2/3/2010 1:06:01 AM

#1109025

jadehawk

The atheist, however, believes to the depths of his soul that God does not exist. He stakes his very existence of this "fact" and makes it central to his existence. He cannot really know one way or the other, but the important point is that he believes.

nope. try again

The schools are full of the beliefs of atheists, but cannot be associated with the beliefs of churchgoers.

ahahhaha, no. you're confusing secular and atheist.

2/3/2010 1:15:03 AM

#1109027

Tangentc

Well, no, not exactly. It's a religion in the same way that you not believing that there is an invisible purple dinosaur following you around at all times is a religion.

In the mind of the theist, God is tautological, he must be true regardless of evidence or lack thereof. God is not the opposite in the mind of an atheist. He is not assumed to be nonexistent beyond evidence. Atheists observe the same evidence and just go the step further than Agnostics and say they don't believe in something that is not suggested by any evidence. Instead of just saying they don't know. If we operated by that reasoning then we would have to list all conceivable alternatives to reality that we can't directly disprove. How do you KNOW that there isn't that invisible purple dinosaur behind you? Because it's absurd and there's no evidence to suggest there is, that's how.

2/3/2010 1:28:10 AM

#1109029

werewolf

I know I exist, sonny boy. No belief necessary.

2/3/2010 1:32:36 AM

#1109030

Eden

So, would it be O.K. for you, if atheist institutions/clubs/whatever were subject to the same tax exemption laws that are reserved for religious institutions?

2/3/2010 1:35:08 AM