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I think making a comparison between God and Hitler/Stalin is grievous. God CANNOT commit an injustice under ANY circumstances, regardless of how unjust it might appear to us mortals. We see God condemning humans to eternal torment and pass judgement on Him without first recognizing that their crime, the total rejection of Jesus' precious sacrifice---God's own "flesh and blood" so to speak---is an unspeakably heinous act of cosmic proportions, fully deserving of ET. In terms of comparing the value of gifts, someone who rejects a drunk's gift of his p*sspot cannot even begin to be compared to someone slinging the King of Sweden's gift of a 1000 YO family heirloom into a cesspool. And yet, that last act cannot even be called infinitessimal, so minute is it in comparison with the rejection of Jesus.


thrillobyte, City-Data 76 Comments [2/1/2010 5:59:05 AM]
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Percy Q. Shunn

Enjoy hearing yourself talk?

And, fuck your stupid asshole god.

2/1/2010 6:11:47 AM

BobsOldSocks

"...the total rejection of Jesus' precious sacrifice..."

Evidence for the existence of this jesus character outwith the pages of the bible, please. Until then it's just another silly fairy story, written to manipulate the ignorant and gullible.

2/1/2010 6:16:39 AM

FSMpirate

So, in your fairy-tale, god sends himself down, and then gets himself killed. Sounds like a fucking great big drama queen to me! What a contrived guilt trip. It's a good thing i don't have a soul.

And how come your god gets a free pass? Shouldn't we hold him accountable for his atrocities?


2/1/2010 6:20:04 AM

aaa

What an asshole. And you worship this bloke?

2/1/2010 6:29:53 AM

ender

One thing I never understood about gods is why do they need worship at all? Imagine if (when?) we manage to create (artificial) sentient life - would we expect it to worship us?

2/1/2010 6:31:38 AM

Arctic Knight

Going with your premise that the story of Jesus is true, what sacrifice did he make? He spends 33 years living on the planet he created, then has his fleshly body killed and inconvenienced for 3 days so that it can come back and spend eternity in paradise. Unless your god can suffer pain and die, which would negate him being a god, he didn't sacrifice anything. He's still in the exact same position he was before. That's like comparing my suffering a cold for a week as being the greatest sacrifice of all when it's only a minor inconvenience in the big picture of my life.

2/1/2010 6:35:33 AM

Quantum Mechanic

At least Hitler and Stalin actually existed.

2/1/2010 6:40:00 AM

Scooby71

I've never got what was so special about the christian god having only one son.

Surely if this omnipotent being wished all women could become pregnant overnight, and nine months later there'd be several billion children of god in the world - assuming he just didn't magic 'em into existence from his forehead like Athena from Zeus.

2/1/2010 6:47:32 AM

SleepNeed

I think making a comparison between God and Hitler/Stalin is grievous.

I disagree. They all have committed mass murders, though Hitler and Stalin are real figures.

God CANNOT commit an injustice under ANY circumstances, regardless of how unjust it might appear to us mortals.

So all those babies that where killed in Noah's flood deserved to die? That's pretty harsh.

We see God condemning humans to eternal torment and pass judgement on Him without first recognizing that their crime, the total rejection of Jesus' precious sacrifice---God's own "flesh and blood" so to speak---is an unspeakably heinous act of cosmic proportions, fully deserving of ET.

Let's have a hypothetical tribe in the mountains of Mongolia, lets call them the Monga that nobody has ever talked to before. John Monga is a good person and follows every single word of the bible, though he never read nor heard of a single word of it and he has never been baptized for in his faith there is no such a thing. He dies like we all do.

So he gets sent to hell because he's a victim of where he was born and never hearing of the Judo-Christian God?



In terms of comparing the value of gifts, someone who rejects a drunk's gift of his p*sspot cannot even begin to be compared to someone slinging the King of Sweden's gift of a 1000 YO family heirloom into a cesspool. And yet, that last act cannot even be called infinitessimal, so minute is it in comparison with the rejection of Jesus.

What the hell are you trying to say here? Also look again at my tribe example. If you never hear it, how could you reject it and thus be punished for rejecting it?

2/1/2010 6:50:10 AM



Which would be great if there was any evidence of jesus' trial and execution or god's existence for that matter

2/1/2010 6:50:29 AM

Mister Spak

I think making a comparison between God and Hitler/Stalin is grievous. Hitler CANNOT commit an injustice under ANY circumstances, regardless of how unjust it might appear to us mortals.

Fixed.

2/1/2010 6:53:22 AM

RPJ

FFMpirate: "And how come your god gets a free pass? Shouldn't we hold him accountable for his atrocities?"

To fundies, God exists above logic and reality. He is not a unit of the universe; the universe is a unit of him. Their worldview is not based on physical reality, but in God. Therefore, to judge him by mortal standards of what is good (such as not killing, baby-raping, destroying towns etc) is incomprehensible. Humanistic thinking would hold that actions which better humanity are moral, but theistic thinking holds that the god is moral.

Therefore, if the god demands baby-rape, human sacrifices, or burning towns, it is moral. Reality and humanistic values simply are not relevant to the calculation.

"God CANNOT commit an injustice under ANY circumstances, regardless of how unjust it might appear to us mortals." God cannot be judged within the confines of realuty, because god supercedes reality.

2/1/2010 6:55:18 AM

Murdin

God is infinitely good and just, it says so in His holy book, which we should believe unconditionally since God is so good and just. Circular logic FTW.

2/1/2010 6:55:29 AM



...what?

2/1/2010 7:04:30 AM

GigaGuess

We see God condemning humans to eternal torment and pass judgement on Him without first recognizing that their crime, the total rejection of Jesus' precious sacrifice---God's own "flesh and blood" so to speak---is an unspeakably heinous act of cosmic proportions, fully deserving of ET.

So...by not believing in Jesus or his sacrifice, you deserve to burn in hell forever. DESERVE to, not just will. And just HOW does this make him different from Hitler and Stalin?

@RPJ
And I dunno about you, but that prospect scares me a little. All they need is one good, sufficiently charismatic figure, and suddenly he has his own army for God.

2/1/2010 7:05:26 AM

Zimmer

If a gift-giver threatens eternal punishment for the rejection of a gift, it becomes an act of coercion and not one of mercy.

It seriously scares me how Christians can see something so despicable as punishing someone for rejecting a gift to be moral, or even be unable to recognize how the acceptance of this kind of coerced gift should not count as a token of 'love' towards the gift-giver.


Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil.

2/1/2010 7:07:06 AM

Eden

God CANNOT commit an injustice under ANY circumstances, regardless of how unjust it might appear to us mortals

With other words,
everything god does is just by definition,
no matter how unjust it may appear,
even if he orders large scale genocides and enslavements (like written in the old testament)

We see God condemning humans to eternal torment

We don´t exactly see him doing anything...
everything you believe about heaven and hell stems from things written in the bible, as well as human imagination

the total rejection of Jesus' precious sacrifice

What Jesus according to the bible went through
was not worse than the things many other humans went through. Most people who were condemned to death by crucifixation suffered for more days than Jesus on the cross before finally dying. Also, if your beliefs in heaven and hell are right, then Jesus short visit in hell was nothing, compared to the eternal suffering of all the other souls there.

In terms of comparing the value of gifts, someone who rejects a drunk's gift of his p*sspot cannot even begin to be compared to someone slinging the King of Sweden's gift of a 1000 YO family heirloom into a cesspool.

The king of sweden wouldn´t torture me for the rest of my life, if Irejected some kind of gift by him. In fact I wouldn´t call a king who tortures me for eternity (or a very long time) just for rejecting a gift by him a just king. I would rather think of him as some kind of tyrant. The more if said king doesn´t even show any signs of his existence and appear personally to give me this gift, but rather leaves just obscure texts hinting at his existence and said gift, texts which may be genuine or may be pure fabrications.

2/1/2010 7:07:19 AM

I read about the afterlife

Oh yes, the destruction of Jericho was COMPLETELY just! I mean, just what did they think they were doing? Getting there before the Israelites did! It was reprehensible!

2/1/2010 7:08:57 AM

JSS

Okay, a couple thoughts:

1) Since when was ET an acronym for eternal torture?

2) Basically you separate your deity from Hitler and Stalin by saying "he's GOOOOOOD!". That's an F- right there. Try something else.

2/1/2010 7:11:50 AM

Murdin

... God... "ET" ? How sadistic and fanatical do you need to be to make a funny little acronym out of eternal fucking torment ? The rest of the quote is classically fundie, but this tiny detail is just sick. DIAF.

2/1/2010 7:12:38 AM

Karlsbad

This is why I am not only an agnostic, but a misotheist. How could anyone with a shred of moral integrity support an entity that considers not worshipping it an infinitely evil act, worthy of an eternity of torture? Furthermore, the only way God could be called "beyond committing injustice" is if you consider him to be the arbiter of right and wrong. The Euthyphro Argument plays some serious havoc with that suggestion.

Arctic Knight: Well said. Assuming said story was true, it was Judas who made the real sacrifice. Though if God was planning it all from the start, as the last supper seems to imply, it's more like Judas was sacrificed and then punished for it as well. Either way, Jesus' "sacrifice" was still quite trivial.

2/1/2010 7:16:30 AM

caustic gnostic

To set up a Chaos creature as the one and only "God" is a prelude to disaster.

Human civilization has other imperatives, survival for example.

2/1/2010 7:36:01 AM

Berny

Bullshit.
It irks you people when we point out the multiple examples of your god's cruelty. For some reason it's OK for him to do whatever because "He's god" but when humans behave in a similar fashion we lock them up.
I have never accepted that. If your want to claim that your god is ever-loving and merciful, you're going to get challenged on it because his advanced press says otherwise.
There is no justification for an eternity of torture. Rejecting the supposed "sacrifice" of Jesus certainly wouldn't qualify as it is victimless.

2/1/2010 7:37:57 AM

Thinking Allowed

So let me get this right...

Your god made himself, to sacrifice himself, to change a rule he made himself? Wouldn't it have saved a lot of time and energy if he just said "Hey you guys, I forgive you for good."?

2/1/2010 7:43:33 AM

Sophie

Wtf? Where do fundies come up with these crap analogies?

And I thought ET referred to the alien at first. I mean, when did that become an acronymn for eternal torture? If you have to make euphemisms for your god's actions, then he is not "good".

2/1/2010 7:54:13 AM
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