AV1611VET: There is no such thing as abiogenesis. Which came first in the universe, life or the earth?
ArnautDaniel: Uh, I think even creationists would say "earth"...unless you have some weird image of living things floating around in space.
AV1611VET: Angels --- they were present when the earth was created:
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Genesis does say something along the lines of, "Let us create man in our image." It was probably referencing the various Mesopotamian deities that the Jews still believed in at the time the story was first being passed around.
Christians have never been comfortable with the idea of other gods existing, so they invented angels, demons, and in many cases saints, to smooth over things.
Okay, AV1611VET is at 1.12 million posts and he's not a poe? You're looking at roughly 36 posts an hour, or more than one EACH AND EVERY MINUTE for three and a half years without taking a pee break! What do you guys think of this??! Or are several honest xians cooperating to create AV1611VET??
Y'know, back when I was a Catholic I got the impression that angels didn't really count as living things, what with not being born or mortal and generally lacking many of the traits that seperate living things from non-living and dead things...
@ campbunny:
AV1611VET has a ridiculously high post count because he posts in a counting forum, ie threads where he sequentially posts single digits up to 1000. He is fucked in the head, in multiple ways.
http://www.christianforums.com/t7438149/
This, ladies and gentlemen, just goes to show what blind faith does to a person.
Faith. It makes you stupid.
It's not the theological nature of angels that make this so retarded, it's that his response does not actually answer the objection.
Assume for the moment that angels are living things in whatever sense AV wishes to define life. Have they always existed? Clearly not, since God alone is supposed to be eternal. So they must have at some point been created by God, hence there is still abiogenesis.
Of course, bible literalist that he is, AV probably thinks that the "living god" of the bible is exactly that, so there really is no abiogenesis, since there was not time where God did not exist, and all life was created by God. This is equivocation of course, abiogenesis is 'life from non-life' and applies equally to man being formed from inert clay by a living god as it does to the sponaneous emergence of self-replicating protocells from a prebiotic 'soup'.
AV1611VET is contradicting his own "inerrant bible" with his assertion.
Actually, John, the question should be how do you know it?
"It is impossible to prove a negative" is a negative. If it were true, you wouldn't know it was.
"Which came first in the universe, life or the earth?"
And what came before God? My bet is the extra-dimensional entities who planted the Monoliths on Earth, then under the Moon's surface, then the one orbiting Jupiter. Who then took Dave Bowman and evolved him into the Star Child.
So God's real name is Dave Bowman. See? The plot of "2001: A Space Odyssey" has as much credibility as Genesis. Mayhaps more so.
And who wrote "2001"? Arthur C. Clarke. An Atheist.
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...and the Golden Tribe created everything : including your 'God'.
Unless you're prepared to admit that the anime series "Heroic Age" is a documentary, bang goes your whole 'Teach the Controversy' BS, fundies.
As it mentions 'Cherubs', $cientology's doctrine, the 'OT-III Incident Document' has to be the 'Truth', does it not...?!
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Angels? I thought it was ponies.... :(
Demons to some...:
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...Angels to others . [/"Hellraiser"]
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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