Robert Pate #fundie

Robert Pate #fundie theologyonline.com

Scientist will never be able to make life.

All life comes from God, who is the author of life. Not only does he give life, he also takes life.

My question for you is why is creation so orderly? The sun rises and sets at designated times. The four seasons come and go right on time. If everything was created by a big bang where did this order come from? Why are all of the planets including the earth so round? If there was a big bang wouldn't they be uneven or jagged.

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old comment by John_in_Oz

1) You've never heard of genetic engineering? What are those organisms if not life made by scientists?

2) Your 'designated time' for sunrise doesn't exist. Sunrise varies from place to place and day to day.

3) The 'four seasons' are local phenomena, and don't exist in the tropics. They certainly don't occur at the same time every year.

4) The statistics of random chance produce order in the universe, the same way those statistics produce order in a casino. Despite the randomness of any particular dice-throw, statistical chaos produces order.

5) Google Eros, Mathilde, and Gaspra. Sun-orbiting objects are not round until they reach a size where gravity overcomes their irregularity.

6)No.
The name 'Big Bang' was coined by Fred Hoyle in an attempt to ridicule a theory he didn't believe in. Your idea is more consistent with the earlier theory of the cosmic monobloc where all the matter of the universe was considered to have originated in one place. The 'Big Bang' is the singularity which produced the energy of the universe which later gave rise to matter in accordance with Einsteins equation. So the matter thus produced is spread out rather than uneven or jagged.

old comment by Antichrist

Scientist will never be able to make life.
So artificial insemination is what exactly? What about cloning?

why is creation so orderly?
It isn't, there's whole galaxies running into each other out there, obliterating thousands of stars (and any planets around them) every day.

The sun rises and sets at designated times.
Because the earth spins at a set speed, has nothing to do with "god"

The four seasons come and go right on time.
Never heard of freak weather? Snow in July? that sort of thing? This year in Vancouver we missed winter entirely. Sucks for the Olympics

If everything was created by a big bang where did this order come from?
Your simplified view of the universe. There is no order, we could be wiped out by the end of the day by something as silly as decaying nuclear warheads that should of been decommissioned 50 years ago, finally falling apart. Our brains are wired to see order and patterns where there isn't any.

Why are all of the planets including the earth so round? If there was a big bang wouldn't they be uneven or jagged.
Where the fuck do you live? Kansas? Never heard of mountains or valleys?

old comment by Papabear

"Scientist will never be able to make life.
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Proclaiming what science will not be able to do is a foolishly bold act.

"The sun rises and sets at designated times."

Those times predicted by science, I might point out.

"The four seasons come and go right on time."

Not "right on time" exactly.

"If everything was created by a big bang where did this order come from?"

Natural causes. Seasons come from the fact, discovered by scientists, that the earths axis is not 90 degrees to its orbit around the sun.

"Why are all of the planets including the earth so round?"

Gravity. Don't be such a dolt.

"If there was a big bang wouldn't they be uneven or jagged."

No. Now finish your milk, get into your jammies and get to bed.

old comment by GodotIsWaiting4U

Because the planets aren't simply fragments of a larger thing. The Big Bang flung matter in all directions, but in subatomic particle form. Stars formed because hydrogen is excessively simple to make, and the stars created the other elements via baryon synthesis. Gravity pulled the other elements together into the densest possible shapes, namely spheres.

Also, the seasons do NOT come and go right on time, and the Gregorian calendar has to undergo constant routine adjustments to account for the earth's behavior. The sun also does not rise and set at designated times; I tried to plan a date so that a specific occurrence would coincide with sunset, and discovered that sunset came within a range of times, not at anything particularly exact.

old comment by Thinking Allowed

My question for you is why is creation so orderly? The sun rises and sets at designated times.

So the sun has this big wrist watch with an alarm so it knows when to rise and set?

The four seasons come and go right on time.

It's the middle of Febuary, and I have 50* outside right now. My grape hyacinths are starting to bud. The first day of spring isn't going to be here for another 6 weeks.

If everything was created by a big bang where did this order come from?

A really good executive assistant named Larry.

Why are all of the planets including the earth so round?

The earth isn't round.
http://www.josleys.com/show_gallery.php?galid=313

If there was a big bang wouldn't they be uneven or jagged.

Big Bang is just a name. Big expansion would be more accurate.

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Scientist will never be able to make life.

Never say never. There have been many experiments from Carl Sagan's PhD thesis to contemporary attempts that confirm the production of amino acids, the basic building block of life, from common chemicals by radiation. Sagan's attempts were to show that life could have began on ancient Earth by lightning strikes that hit pools of life-favorable chemicals, mostly carbon and oxygen. His experiments used a high-voltage arc source in a closed, glass envelope. The amino acids would form a black, tarry substance on the inside walls. Contemporary experiments into this use electric arcs or, more commonly, a bullet fired from a high-powered rifle as the energy input.

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"Scientist will never be able to make life."

Eh, you say that, but I don't know. To be honest it's possible, there's so much that science has been able to do that others have previously said was impossible. Perhaps one day scientists will be able to form extremely simple replicating organisms.

"All life comes from God, who is the author of life. Not only does he give life, he also takes life."

God is a dick, I've already established that.

"My question for you is why is creation so orderly? The sun rises and sets at designated times."

Except it doesn't exactly, we have leap years and even leap seconds to make it happen on time.

"The four seasons come and go right on time."

Do they? perhaps officialy but as I said this is a result of our invention of time. last year flowers started to bloom a second time during what would normally be considered autumn

"If everything was created by a big bang where did this order come from?"

Actually the big bang, that is what created the physical laws

"Why are all of the planets including the earth so round? If there was a big bang wouldn't they be uneven or jagged."

No. gravity creates the shape of planets, and for the record, asteroids and smaller objects are not round.

old comment by Orion

"Scientist will never be able to make life."

Self-replicator suggests life began with RNA
"...The lab born strain of RNA can evolve in a test tube to duplicate itself more quickly"
"...The first time an experiment has produced an RNA that can sustain its own replication"

- New Scientist, 17th of January 2009, page 7.

"All life comes from God, who is the author of life. Not only does he give life, he also takes life."

Critics rate this author poorly. Often saying that a random mess sorted by physical laws could do better.

"My question for you is why is creation so orderly?"

It isn't

"The sun rises and sets at designated times"

No it doesn't, the need for leap years should tell you that.

"The four seasons come and go right on time."

Groundhog day serves what purpose then? (lol, I kid) But seriously go live in Fiji as I did, when I came back my 5th grade teacher was shocked, SHOCKED! That I could not tell what months corresponded to what season because as far as I had known there was only the Wet and Hot season and the Dry and Hot Season. Go live in Antarctica and see if you can pick the difference between autumn and spring. Visit the Sahara and you'll swear the season changes at nightfall.

"If everything was created by a big bang where did this order come from?"

simple laws of physics dimwit. Also hurtling through space at hundreds of thousands of KM's per hour while circling a giant fusion explosion 8 light minutes from us along with other balls of rocks and gas while spinning at hundreds of KM's per hour all the while circling the incredible cosmic sinkhole at the Galaxy's center as it hurtles away from all the other galaxies is hardly what I call ordered. It downright frightens some people how disordered and cold the universe can be.

"Why are all of the planets including the earth so round?"

Because globe makers are lazy.

"If there was a big bang wouldn't they be uneven or jagged."

You mean like with mountains, hills, canyons, crevasses, glaciers, ocean trenches, islands, gentle slopes, trees, craters and rocks? Or did you mean with pockmarked moons? Or the jumbled mass of the asteroid belts? Or like the tangled mess of Saturn's detritus rings? Or like how the galaxy is a perfect sphere and not something that resembles a sparkly octopus?

Robert Pate #fundie theologyonline.com

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