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The concept that a human being requires sentience is subjective. Not everyone agrees. What about puberty? Why not draw the line there? Sure the organism just before puberty is sentient and can feel pain but who are vyou to say thats the subjective criteria if others disagree with you?
Anyway the whole issue can be solved by saying dont have sex unless one wants the responsibilty of conception. And isnt that what its all about sexual license? Of course it is. The next question will be so am I saying do with out sex, and the answer is yes! thats what it says in the Bible its for procreation. If people can't do without sex, and one doesn't need it, then sex must be their god.

Phineas2, CF 32 Comments [2/12/2010 11:08:27 PM]
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HoJuSimpson

I'm pretty sure those words are in English, but...

2/12/2010 11:28:44 PM

Sophie

"Why not draw the line there? Sure the organism just before puberty is sentient and can feel pain but who are vyou to say thats the subjective criteria if others disagree with you?"

DEATH PANELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2/12/2010 11:29:44 PM

CrazyRoper

I still don't understand how anyone can think that having an abortion or not have an abortion is irresponsible.

2/12/2010 11:34:58 PM

Tolpuddle Martyr

The first eleven sentences are pure undiluted whargarble, but I have no problem with the last one. Sex is indeed my god, guilty as charged!

2/13/2010 12:23:20 AM

Orion

"If people can't do without sex, and one doesn't need it, then sex must be their god."

Well we do shout "oh gawd" a lot while we're at it...

Also on subjectivity: Science, learn some.

2/13/2010 12:55:29 AM

GodotIsWaiting4U

A human being DOES require sentience, but puberty happens AFTER BIRTH YOU RETARD. Sentience can be ESTABLISHED beyond a reasonable doubt.

Preaching abstinence DOESN'T WORK. You can look back through history to see birth certificates and marriage licenses and discover that the parents frequently married LESS than nine months before the baby was born. PEOPLE WILL FUCK ANYWAY. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU SAY.

2/13/2010 1:06:39 AM

aaa

Not a chance, bitch.

2/13/2010 2:59:44 AM



> What about puberty? Why not draw the line there?

People who have not reached puberty can live perfectly functional lives, outside of the womb, independent of their mother.

People without a functioning central nervous system might usually not.

Next question?

2/13/2010 5:08:02 AM

The L

"If people can't do without sex, and one doesn't need it, then sex must be their god."

I have electricity in my home. Technically, I don't need it--people have lived without electrical power for millennia. However, I don't want to do without it. Does that mean I worship an electricity-god?

2/13/2010 5:15:54 AM

TGRwulf

Oh god of sex, I bow down to you my unholy master!

2/13/2010 7:00:07 AM

CrazyHappyNinja

@Tolpuddle Martyr

I agree, but my god has forsaken me :(

2/13/2010 7:30:47 AM

Doubting Thomas

The problem with this is that telling kids "don't have sex" never works. You fundies just can't understand that it's impossible to control everyone's sexual behavior.

2/13/2010 9:19:27 AM

Tearlich

Humm, I'll take Blue Cheese Dressing with this please.

2/13/2010 11:04:16 AM

the old firm

...what?

2/13/2010 12:12:43 PM

caustic gnostic

1. Just say no.

2. Just say, "Oh no!"

2/13/2010 12:51:29 PM

misshani

"The next question will be so am I saying do with out sex, and the answer is yes! thats what it says in the Bible its for procreation. If people can't do without sex, and one doesn't need it, then sex must be their god."

A bunch of Catholic Priests agreed to do without sex. Suppressing their sexuality made them Godly and turned them into pillars of morality as they were raping children. Is that what you want for the rest of the world?

Terri Schiavo was, technically, a human being. But our courts decided cutting off her life support that was keeping her alive was not murder. Why? Because she wasn't capable of sentience. She possessed no humanity whatsoever.

A first and second trimester fetus has no more humanity than she did, and no more capability to survive without the "life support" of the mother. It doesn't matter what potential you think it has to develop what in the future. Until that point, there is no humanity and there is no difference.

The only difference to you is that you can't stand the thought of a woman having sex without being threatened with suffering and slavery.

2/13/2010 12:53:43 PM

Old Viking

I used to worship the God Sex, but he is lousy at answering prayers.

2/13/2010 12:57:34 PM

ConCat

Come again?


2/13/2010 2:12:24 PM



Close!

What I said was not "My God is Sex", but "YOUR God is a load of wank."

See the difference?


2/13/2010 2:15:28 PM



A pre-pubescent child is an independent being. An embryo has no brain and functions as a parasite on a woman's body, drawing blood and nutrients from her. Big difference.

2/13/2010 6:53:56 PM

Berny

Fuck you and fuck your Bible.
The rest of us don't wish to live by the moral standards of backwards Bronze Age Middle Eastern misogynistic primitives.

2/13/2010 7:32:18 PM

Hive

Anyway the whole issue can be solved by saying dont have sex unless one wants the responsibilty of conception.

Yes, how convenient for all the men. Since they can't get pregnant, they can have all the sex they want. But since women can, and we want to control when they have sex, they're the ones that suffer.

Now STFU.

2/13/2010 9:12:58 PM

GigaGuess

Or...OR...why don't we draw the line at sperm and eggs! I mean one just needs the other, and you have the potential for life! So to kill a sperm or an egg is like killing half a baby! Right? Right?

2/13/2010 9:19:53 PM

Mrs. Antichrist

... because the nervous system is present in a fully-formed and functional state prior to puberty. Anyone who would argue otherwise is a complete moron. Likewise, anyone who would compare an embryo to a child, or even a late-term fetus, clearly knows nothing about human development in the womb.

Sex is a hard-wired biological imperative. It isn't necessary to one individual's survival, but it IS necessary to our species' survival. For that reason, the urge to have it is exceptionally strong. Granted, more immediate needs -- food, oxygen, etc. -- tend to take precedent, but once we fill those needs, the urge to have sex can be extremely difficult to ignore. Assuming your god is real (and I doubt he is), he'd have to be kind of stupid to design us this way and then expect us NOT to have sex every chance we get.

2/14/2010 1:30:15 AM

nazani14

A non-sentient human is most likely brain-dead, in the medical sense.
1. sentience - state of elementary or undifferentiated consciousness; "the crash intruded on his awareness"
2. sentience - the faculty through which the external world is apprehended; "in the dark he had to depend on touch and on his senses of smell and hearing"
3. sentience - the readiness to perceive sensations; elementary or undifferentiated consciousness; "gave sentience to slugs and newts"- Richard Eberhart

2/14/2010 6:21:43 AM
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