Is it just me or did time happen to be based on Jesus' Death? Oh so your saying that 2008 "AD" has nothing to do with the death of the Son of God? You're living in this time.. After Death of Jesus Christ. Thanks for acknowledging that for me people. This is a never ending argument and No one is going to win. All you hypocrites, relax, your never going to prove a any point that is worth listening to anyway. Honestly, give it up people! Grow up! Do something worth while, maybe ride a bike to work to save on gas/oil, read a kid a Dr. Seuss book, Help an old lady across the street, Read the bible to find the good in it. If you'd stop being all knowing jackasses maybe the world would be a better place for you and you wouldnt be such a downer around everyone. Do yourself a favor: Stop trying to prove that Christ didn't exist and Check todays date. I'm right, your wrong, I'm not sorry. Have a good day and God Bless.
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Even if we assume Jesus existed as a person, his death would likely have been around 35-40 "AD".
It's supposed to be based on his birth ...but even that is wrong.
...AD is more like Anno Domini... As in In the Year of lord.
You know... Birth. Not when he was crucified.
Christian BS was wildly popular upon a time, so they added that shit to the calendar. It's got no big meaning to it.
Um, no. The year is based on Jesus' supposed birth, not death. And AD does not mean "After Death."
And you really need to tell this to the Chinese. They think it's year 4707.
"If you'd stop being all knowing jackasses maybe the world would be a better place for you and you wouldnt be such a downer around everyone."
This is what I would love to say to each & every fundamentalist Christian out there. They all know what God thinks. And they're always downers because they think you're not supposed to enjoy things in life, like drinking, dancing, and sex.
It's just you. Time exists no matter what is or has happened.
There were measurements of time before during and after the supposed life of the biblical Jesus.
Your Bible contradicts itself concerning the date of Jesus' supposed birth.
Do yourself a favor, prove the existence of God and Jesus or STFU and go away.
AD != after death. If you don't know your own mythology, stop trying to get the rest of us to follow it. Also, happy Tuesday (the day of Tiw, the pagan war god).
And that means what? That Jesus was real?
The whole Anno Domini dating system wasn't even thought up until Jesus had been dead for 500 years, and it didn't start to catch on in Europe for another few hundred. Once it did, other nations had to adopt it in order to do business with them.
And besides, the date of Jesus' birth has been recalculated countless times in recent years, with countless results. We've never once considered changing our calendar to reflect any of them.
Instead, the abbreviations BCE and CE (Common Era) are now being used globally to remove Jesus as a factor altogether.
Guess he isn't all that important after all.
"...Oh so your saying that 2008 "AD".."
Actually, it has something to do with Jesus, but not with his death. And what it has to say is mistaken - an error.
Half a century after Jesus was born, a monk, Dionysos Exiguus tried to calculate when Jesus was born, but got it wrong. This is hardly to be surprised at as the gospels got it wrong too. They talk about a Census that did not take place until at least 14 years after the latest possible time for Jesus birth. It is all but certain that Herod the Great died in 4 BCE, that would place Jesus's birth possible about 6 BCE. The the era which is based on the birth of Jesus, and the actual year of his birth do not agree. Dionysos got it wrong.
But time has existed since the universe came into being, so it is entirely another matter. The ancient Egyptians and Bablylonians reckoned time in their own ways. It is necessary, therefore to distinguish time from epoch/era. Not that I expect you to accept or understand anything I have said.
And what of all the OTHER calendars in the world? Islam has a calendar too, I guess that means Allah is the correct interpretation of your deity, and Jesus is just a prophet, not the messiah.
Actually AD has nothing to do with Jesus' alleged death. BC means before he was born, AD means "year of our lord" or AFTER he was born. If it meant "after death" as some people "think" there would be a 30+ year gap with no dates .
Perhaps you should take a morsel of your own advice.
EDIT:Dang nab it! Beaten to the punch AGAIN!
I've always wondered if people like this think the ancients were sitting around wondering why it was 1986 BC and what were they counting down to.
They don't seem to understand that a calendar is a human invention.
A.D does not mean "after death".
*from wikipedia* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.D
The term Anno Domini is Medieval Latin, translated as In the year of (the/Our) Lord.[1][2]:782 It is sometimes specified more fully as Anno Domini Nostri Iesu (Jesu) Christi ("In the Year of Our Lord Jesus Christ").
Kid, do you know what you could do? Fuck off to your gated community and be a little bitch for the big fucking corporations.
I don't ride a bike to work mainly because the winters here are colder than Thatcher's cunt, kids these days like Astrid Lindgren more than Doc Seuss, Old ladies around here don't need help to get across the street and the bible is still a badly written holy book made by a group of bored romans.
If you'd stop being all knowing jackasses... I'm right, your wrong, I'm not sorry.
You may be smart but you seem to be forgetting, Bman, that Pope Gregory XIII reshuffled the calendar from the Julian standard to the Gregorian standard in 1582 through a Papal decree to to celebrate Easter at the time it thought the First Council of Nicaea had agreed upon in 325, and to include leap centuries (when exactly divisible by four).
Are you totally ignorant of everything? AD means Anno Domini, i.e. "in the year of our Lord".
There are several different ways of counting time, but it easier for all if we agree to use one.
And since we have a Thor's Day every week (Thursday) that means Thor actually exists. Since we have a month named after the Roman god Janus (January) every year, that means Janus actually exists.
I guess you'd better become polytheistic now since all these different gods exist based on our recodring of time.
But what about all the other calendars around the world, like the Chinese, the Jewish, the Muslims, the Mayans etc.
If your ancestors hadn't been so efficient at killing people and forcing the survivors to convert we'd likely be running by someone elses calendar.
That said, the Calendar has changed hugely since it was invented. We used to operate on the Julian calendar, now we go by the Gregorian calendar.
And if the person the year is named after is so significant, does that make the Roman gods real? After all, most of the months are named after them, and the days of the week are named after the Norse.
"Oh so your saying that 2008 "AD" has nothing to do with the death of the Son of God? "
What does the so called son of god have to do with anything? The year is 1431 after the ascention of Mohammed into heaven Thanks for acknowledging that for me Bman. Relax your never going to prove any point that is worth listening to anyway.
Actually, when the Gregorian calendar was fixed, they said that there was a possible mistake of some years in the fixing, so that Jesus, actually, was born, how ironic, in 4BC, that is, Before Christ. Yes, that's why convention is so...........
As has been pointed out, A.D. does not stand for "After Death". Heck! The English language, as modified and adopted by Modern American Fundies, didn't yet exist.
Plus, the only reason Jebus enters the picture is because, at the time of the adoption of the modern Western calendars, the only people in the Western world who could write were monks and scribes whose entire lives revolved around the Church.
Wow. I remember when I thought that AD stood for After Death... I was about nine years old. Now I'm not a Christian, so it wouldn't be THAT bad if I didn't know better even now, but you have no excuse.
The AD system was invented almost 500 years after Jesus lived. It was used by the Catholic Church mainly to determine Easter. It gained widespread use in Europe a couple of centuries later when the Venerable Bede used it to set dates in his History. It's based on a not very accurate estimate of when Jesus was born. It in no way proves Jesus was a real person. The Romans used a system based on Romulus and Remus, who were almost certainly fictional.
Good grief. Does Bman think that time stood still until humans invented calendars and clocks? If not, how does he suppose that ancient cultures (such as the Jews and their alleged masters the Egyptians) reckoned time before Jesus (allegedly) lived --- by counting down the years "BC" until he was born?!?
Today is Tuesday, named for the ancient Norse god Tîwaz. Therefore, Tîwaz exists.
Why do fundies think that etymology is a good argument for their god?
Actually, that's "Anno Domini," meaning "in the year of our Lord." I.e., the number of years after a medieval estimate of Jesus's birth.
Note that I said medieval estimate. Judging by Biblical accounts and what we know of first-century history, Jesus could not possibly have been born in 1 AD (and no, there was no year 0). The years in ancient Rome were based on a legendary account of the city's founding by the twins Romulus and Remus, who according to legend, were abandoned at birth and raised by wolves. That doesn't make the story of Romulus and Remus true, either. The only difference between the two dating systems is that the BC/AD one is still in current use, whereas the "years after founding" system died with the Roman Empire.
And while absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, that means you don't have any way to prove Jesus existed, either.
<i>Is it just me or did time happen to be based on Jesus' Death? Oh so your saying that 2008 "AD" has nothing to do with the death of the Son of God? You're living in this time.. After Death of Jesus Christ.</i>
Besides, A.D., "after death", only makes sense in english.
@Mister Spak: The Muslim calendar starts from Muhammad's exodus from Mecca to Medina, not his ascension into heaven (which is said to have happened while he was already living in Medina, so at a later date).
If you're going to pretend to be Muslim here, do it right, because if you do it wrong I WILL notice.
@Mister Spak: The Muslim calendar starts from Muhammad's exodus from Mecca to Medina, not his ascension into heaven (which is said to have happened while he was already living in Medina, so at a later date).
If you're going to pretend to be Muslim here, do it right, because if you do it wrong I WILL notice.
Wow, that's a lot of ignorant idiocy in one post.
Oh, and did Jesus die the same year he was born?
Can you think of any other possible point upon which to base our timing system that wouldn't be completely arbitrary? The current Western year zero is based on a myth, as were all the other year zeros that came before it in all the other societies; the only reason we haven't changed it to something more sensible is because there isn't anything else we could practically choose that would be less arbitrary.
Much like the Kelvin & Rankine scales are absolute measurements of temperature and thus more representative of physical reality than Celsius, which is based on an arbitrarily chosen zero point that fucks up any thermodynamic calculations you try to do with it, there is one reference point you could choose for time that would be slightly more meaningful than any other - the absolute zero of time itself, i.e. the beginning of the universe (I think some other religions actually do try to do this, though they of course substitute creation for big bang, and the chronology of their respective creation myth for scientifically deduced timescales). Pretty much the only reasons we don't do that are a) idiot dogmatism on the part of people like you, and b) the situation as-is is considered more tolerable than the amount of effort it would take to change, and most scientists who have the need to do so are content to convert between time-since-the-big-bang and time-since-currently-popular-religious-figure's-alleged-existence, just as they are to convert between Kelvin and Celsius.
Hey, Bman, stop trying to prove that the Norse Gods didn't exist and check your diary. I'm right, you're wrong. I'm not sorry.
Have a good Thor's Day, and Odin bless.
(And yes, it's actually Odin's Day as I post this)
Today's date in various calendars... (Georgian Calendar) (Indian Civil) (Hebrew) (Islamic) (French Revolutionary Calendar) (Mayan Long Count)
"This is a never ending argument and No one is going to win. All you hypocrites, relax, your never going to prove a any point that is worth listening to anyway."
"Honestly, give it up people! Grow up! Do something worth while"
"Read the bible to find the good in it. If you'd stop being all knowing jackasses maybe the world would be a better place for you and you wouldnt be such a downer around everyone."
"Do yourself a favor: Stop trying to prove"
"I'm right, your wrong, I'm not sorry. Have a good day and God Bless."
I did not know it was possible to fail fractally.
@Wehpudicabok
"Wow. I remember when I thought that AD stood for After Death... I was about nine years old. Now I'm not a Christian, so it wouldn't be THAT bad if I didn't know better even now, but you have no excuse."
Yeah, I remember thinking it stood for "After Death", too... I seem to remember reading it in a children's book that had some riddles in it, one of which asked why a man who found a coin marked "600 BC" knew immediately it was a fake. The answer explained that "BC" meant "Before Christ" and said that "AD" meant "After Death". Of course, it didn't occur to me that there'd be a gap in between his death and his birth until I'd already learned (in a Kid's Almanac) that "AD" actually stands for "Anno Domini" ("In the Year of our Lord").
Obliquely related question: Why is the Trans-Siberian Orchestra song called "Anno Domine"? Does that mean something subtly different from "Anno Domini", or does it basically mean the same thing? I've also heard the word "domine" in the song "Domine Kira" (from "Death Note").
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