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Maybe you haven't ever seen supernatural forces, TC, but millions of other people have. They clearly exist, because if they didn't, no person would ever describe miracles happening in their lives (and many people have), no person would claim to speak in tongues and many do and I've heard them and I've had people pray in tongues over me. It was real. A biology teacher at my high school witnessed a demon trying to suppress him once. These things are real. You can keep denying them all you want, but these things have evidence whether you've seen it or not.

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old comment by The Jamo

Yeah, because we all know that nobody ever makes shit up. It has to be supernatural! It just HAS TO be!

A biology teacher at my high school witnessed a demon trying to suppress him once.

Wait, aren't the demons supposed to support and encourage demonic things like biology?

These things are real. You can keep denying them all you want, but these things have evidence whether you've seen it or not.

Yyyyeah, about that evidence, we're still waiting for it so if you could go ahead and mail it in to our office that would be grrrreat. [/Lumberg]

old comment by Pule Thamex

I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. I'm impervious to the actions of supernatural beings and forces, whether they be gods or demons, obviously, I ain't complaining. Probably, supernatural demons are frightened away by my skeptical aura and all the supernatural gods seem to be prone to immediate dissipation on contact with my awesome powers of super-atheism, preferring to swirl ethereally as invisible airborne mysticisms, wafting timidly in the breezes and airs of earth rather than confronting me with their actuality.

No doubt, if they could overcome their fear, the invisible things would be appearing to me as all sorts of spectacularly mutated earth creatures, including human beings, and would be exhorting me to join a club that worships them or be looking to make my wallet a little lighter to the benefit of their chief flatterers, crawlers and priests.

Like I said, I guess I'm lucky.

old comment by SleepNeed

no person would claim to speak in tongues and many do and I've heard them

I've heard them myself, it sounds like gibberish and there is no evidence that it's anything but gibberish.

and I've had people pray in tongues over me. It was real.

So, you've had people speak gibberish to you?

A biology teacher at my high school witnessed a demon trying to suppress him once.

Where is the picture? Where is the evidence? Now until you have that it's just hearsay and hearsay is useless in science.

These things are real. You can keep denying them all you want, but these things have evidence whether you've seen it or not.

Then show me the bloody evidence! You have not posted anything that has proof.

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Maybe you haven't ever seen supernatural forces, TC, but millions of other people have.
I used to think I saw it too when I practiced paganism. I was deluded then
They clearly exist, because if they didn't, no person would ever describe miracles happening in their lives (and many people have)
They do not clearly exist. Even when I was a pagan we called it "shadow realm" because it WASNT clear. Now I know I was deluded.
no person would claim to speak in tongues and many do and I've heard them and I've had people pray in tongues over me.
Christians arent the only ones who speak in tongues. I used to do it alot when I was a pagan. Felt the love of the goddess and everything..but I suppose you will just say it was the devil. I will say I was deluded.
It was real. A biology teacher at my high school witnessed a demon trying to suppress him once.
I also made up stories of grandure when I was a pagan. I understand now, I was deluded and would say anything to justify my beliefs
These things are real. You can keep denying them all you want, but these things have evidence whether you've seen it or not.
The only evidence for it is word of mouth, so no, there is no solid evidence for it.

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...but millions of other people have.

Argumentum ad populum. Still doesn't make it fact.

They clearly exist, because if they didn't, no person would ever describe miracles happening in their lives...

They're lying.

...no person would claim to speak in tongues and many do...

They're bat-shit insane.

A biology teacher at my high school witnessed a demon trying to suppress him once.

And who told you about this? The teacher?! What do you think his true motivation was?

These things are real.

You keep saying this but it doesn't make them any more real.

...these things have evidence whether you've seen it or not.

Then show me! I whole-heartedly welcome definitive proof on the existence of God, the after-life, angels, demons, UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis.

old comment by FMG

The devil went down to my high school, he was looking for a soul to steal.
He was in a bind 'cos he was way behind: he was willin' to make a deal.
When he came across this young man workin' on a experiment and workin it hot.
And the devil jumped upon a lab stool and said: "Boy let me tell you what:
"I bet you didn't know it, but I'm a biology teacher too.
"And if you'd care to take a dare, I'll make a bet with you.
"Now you teach a pretty science, boy, but give the devil his due:
"I bet a pencil of gold against your soul, 'cos I think I'm better than you."
The teacher said: "My name's Johnny and it might be a sin,
"But I'll take your bet, your gonna regret, 'cos I'm the best that's ever been."

Johnny you rosin up your pippette and teach your genetics hard.
'Cos hells broke loose in Georgia and the devil deals it hard.
And if you win you get this shiny pencil made of gold.
But if you lose, the devil gets your soul.

The devil opened up his case and he said: "I'll start this show."
And fire flew from his fingertips as he calibrated his pipette flow.
And he pulled the test tube across his desk and it made an evil hiss.
Then a band of demons joined in and it sounded something like this.
When the devil finished, Johnny said: "Well you're pretty good ol' son.
"But if you'll sit down in that chair, right there, and let me show you how its done."

Fire on the moun, run boys, run.
The devil's in the house of the risin' sun.
Chicken in the bread pin, pickin' out dough.
"Granny, does your dog bite?"
"No, child, no."

The devil bowed his head because he knew that he'd been beat.
He laid that golden pencil on the ground at Johnny's feet.
Johnny said: "Devil just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."

And he played fire on the mount, run boys, run.
The devil's in the house of the risin' sun.
Chicken in the bread pin pickin' out dough.
"Granny, does your dog bite?"
"No, child, no."

old comment by John_in_Oz

What you call 'praying in tongues' is mere babbling. It's used by Scientologists, some Muslim sects, and some Charismatic groups. In none of these cases is it the gospel miracle where everybody understood in their own language what the Apostles were saying. There is nothing supernatural about it.
What is evidence about the people seeing demons is that their brain scans show the same abnormalities as people seeing aliens. And respond to the same treatment.
Your theory about people not reporting miracles presumes that people can reliably identify the miraculous. You're wrong. Our brains are very adept mistake-making machines. Your misidentification of babbling as miracle is a case in point. A substantial proportion of scientific protocol is to remove the possibility of self-deception. And once this has been done, there is never any evidence of supernatural things at all.

old comment by S394652

Oh your BIOLOGY teacher witnessed it! Well, why didn't you say so...... It's ok everyone! This guy has seen it so it must be true!

Thanks so much for clearing that up. We've been at it for weeks with these people. What with all the lack of credible evidence and stories and books that don't add up and the whole Bible fiasco! Holy cow. Wasn't that a can of gas on the campfire! What, with the four versions that don't match up and the violence and the contradiction and the hellfire. I'm telling you, If you hadn't come along and straightened this whole thing out, We would have been tearing you guys apart for years until nobody believed in this stuff anymore................

(Oh if wishing made it so)

old comment by NoriMori

Guess what? Stuff has happened to me that seemed supernatural. I have not been able to find any realistic explanation for them, but I don't go around saying, "I'VE SEEN A SUPERNATURAL FORCE! I'VE SEEN A SUPERNATURAL FORCE! I KNOW BECAUSE I SAW THIS HAPPEN AND CAN'T FIGURE OUT A WAY TO EXPLAIN IT USING SCIENCE!" Because I recognize that, considering my relatively skimpy knowledge of the working of the world/physics/science, there probably IS a reasonable explanation for the things I've witnessed that have nothing to do with the supernatural, that I'm simply not aware of.

Example 1: I was in a park, playing Frisbee with my family. One of us (probably me) accidentally threw it down the hill. When I went to go get it, another family saw it and the dad picked it up and threw it back to me. As I was running forward to catch it, the Frisbee, while still spinning, stopped moving towards me and just spun there in mid-air. I was so stunned I couldn't move, and the dad had to grab the Frisbee from the air and hand it to me.

Does this prove there are supernatural forces! Of course not! It just means I have an inadequate knowledge of physics and aerodynamics, which I'm sure would easily be able to account for what happened.

Example 2: While I was at my aunt's, I told her about the trouble I tend to have falling asleep. She suggested a meditation technique where I stare at a point slightly above and slightly ahead of me for a long time, and then close my eyes and picture soothing colours swirling in my head. I tried this for a while, to no avail. So for a few minutes, I simply lay there, staring at the ceiling. Suddenly, I saw a flash of light next to my bed. Not simply a flash more like a beam, a cone starting at the floor and tapering out as it got higher. It was bluish-white. And it was gone as soon as it appeared. A few minutes later, I heard sirens. Four people had been in a car accident at pretty much the same time I saw the flash of light.

Does this mean I "saw" the accident in the form of some crazy flash of light? I'm not saying it's absolutely impossible, but I'm saying that we don't have all the information to either prove that's what happened, or to disprove that there's a realistic explanation. When I examined the spot next to my bed, I found some cell-phone-like hand-held device. I swear it hadn't been there when I went to bed, but the perception of humans is very fallible. Also, it seemed to be off, so I don't know how it could have been the source of the flash. Also, as I said, the flash seemed more like a BEAM. But, as I said, human perception is fallible, particularly in the dark when you're trying to sleep. It's more likely than anything else that my eyes/brain were playing tricks on me.

Faulty human perception in no way lends credence to supernatural claims.

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