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[A proposed Georgia law, H.B. 582 of 2009, would ensure that girls under the age of 16, if taken into custody for prostitution, would be sent to 'diversionary programs' (ie, treatment/therapy) instead of prison. Christians are outraged:]

Result: with no pesky law to restrict them, minors caught for prostitution could prostitute themselves with impunity [...]

Yes, some minors involved in prostitution are forced into it, but Georgia law currently requires harsh penalties for human trafficking. Also, it must be acknowledged that some boys and girls know the law, defy the law and decide to choose prostitution as a way to make money.

Changing laws to accommodate illegal, immoral, unhealthy, destructive and degrading acts will not prevent permanent physical and emotional damage to the minors involved. Legalizing prostitution for boys and girls removes a strong legal barrier that deters some minors, as well as some adults, from engaging in prostitution, simply because they don’t want to go to jail or have a police record. Removing penalties for boys and girls will increase their vulnerability to alternate lifestyles, including homosexuality, and they will prostitute themselves accordingly.

Arguments for decriminalizing prostitution are similar to those used for giving contraceptives to children. The result of that – teen pregnancy is common, almost half of all births are to unwed girls, couples cohabit before marriage, STDs are off the chart and colleges have coed dorms.

Do we want more under-age prostitution or less? To reduce prostitution, enforce the law. Laws, when enforced, do lower the crime rate and prostitution is a crime for all ages.

[...] The threat of arrest, public humiliation and a police record has “scared straight” many minors and adults. Arrest is a valuable life-saving tool that must continue. So, if necessary, hire enough officers to arrest prostitutes of all ages.

Sue Ella Deadwyler, Georgia Insight 50 Comments [2/18/2010 11:43:45 PM]
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Bleh. Not too crazy.

I was hoping my first "first" would be on somebody who was batshit insane.

2/18/2010 11:47:06 PM

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2/18/2010 11:47:16 PM

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2/18/2010 11:47:22 PM

louislois

Not entirely fundy. Sue Ella Deadwyler here is more your typical Church Lady; self righteous and annoying, but harmless.

2/18/2010 11:57:00 PM

Tykittää

You want to reduce under-aged prostitution?


LEGALIZE PROSTITUTION AND REGULATE IT FOR FUCK'S SAKE.




I'm not sure what the statistics are, but I'm willing to bet that Nevada has the lowest under-aged prostitution rate in the country.

2/18/2010 11:57:47 PM

Panz

"Yes, some minors involved in prostitution are forced into it, but Georgia law currently requires harsh penalties for human trafficking."

Prostitution is trafficking now? I think you need a dictionary

"Also, it must be acknowledged that some boys and girls know the law, defy the law and decide to choose prostitution as a way to make money."

I'll bet you break laws all the time like speeding for one

"Changing laws to accommodate illegal, immoral, unhealthy, destructive and degrading acts will not prevent permanent physical and emotional damage to the minors involved."
That's why no one is

"Legalizing prostitution for boys and girls removes a strong legal barrier that deters some minors, as well as some adults, from engaging in prostitution, simply because they don’t want to go to jail or have a police record. Removing penalties for boys and girls will increase their vulnerability to alternate lifestyles, including homosexuality, and they will prostitute themselves accordingly."

Well, this doesn't surprise me, you don't know the difference between prostitution and trafficking, i guess you don't know the definitions of legal and illegal either

So far all I've gathered from your post is "Fuck the children" (no pun intended) "Punish the victims" and "Screw anyone that says otherwise"...feel that christian love

2/19/2010 12:01:23 AM

campbunny

How about legalise prostitution and DON'T regulate it? It's not like anyone with a choice will work in a legal system that takes half of her/his earnings. Then we could recognise that sovereign adults are perfectly entitled to swap sex for cash without the nanny state sticking its nose in, and that it's their responsibility to accept the possible consequences.

2/19/2010 12:06:33 AM

Sandwich Board

Oh, if it's legalised it should be regulated to the extent that any business is regulated: workplace safety, labour laws, consumer protection and that sort of thing. That's how it's done in my country.

And, uh, Sue, nice to notice that decriminalisation is not the same thing as legalisation, but you do realise that arresting is not the same thing as convicting is not the same thing as sentencing, right?

2/19/2010 12:15:37 AM

EllwyenDarwin

I love her last name.

2/19/2010 12:36:16 AM

Swede

Young people are not so set in their way yet. If they get therapy treatment for their misconduct they have a real chance of becoming "model citizens". If you send them to prison, they run a very large risk of being abused by older, more hardened criminals. They also run the risk of learning to become more like those hardened criminals.

In Sweden it's the hiring of a prostitute that is a crime, not the renting out of a body. The customers are the ones using a body, for their own satisfaction only.

"Arguments for decriminalizing prostitution are similar to those used for giving contraceptives to children. The result of that – teen pregnancy is common, almost half of all births are to unwed girls, couples cohabit before marriage, STDs are off the chart and colleges have coed dorms."
Over here you can get condoms just about everywhere, and you just get a raised eyebrow or a sly smile (if anyone reacts at all), when buying them with your grocery.
Teen pregnancies are rather uncommon, and STDs are cured as soon as they are spotted; we all learn in Sex Ed how to recognize the common ones.
Lots of births ARE to unwed parents, but that's because lots of people don't see the reason to get married. You don't need a marriage certificate to be monogamous.

If you have lived together for a while before marriage, you really know if you are suited for each other, in all aspects of life. Imagine learning on your wedding night, that you don't have the same sexual preferences, at all. Better to learn that early in the relation, when you can split up and find someone better suited for you. I bet that promotes life-long relationships.

You need to attack the root of the problem. Sending kids to prison is just paving over the pot hole. The problem will come back, with interest.
Lots of these "damaged" kids might be abortions that didn't happen; children that were never wanted, never loved, never cherished.
Work toward the goal that every single child has a caring environment to grow up in, and you will reduce under-age prostitution significantly. You might even eradicate it.

2/19/2010 1:03:53 AM

Slater

In Denmark neither prostitution or the hiring of prostitutes is illegal at all.

Funny thing, though - we don't have 16-year-old girls in short skirts on every corner waving down cars.
In fact, I don't think I've seen a single prostitute in my life. Because it's completely legal, they tend to stick mostly to brothels, where they are given safety and fair treatment.

I never quite understood why prostitution should be illegal. As Sue Ella there said, there's already harsh punishment in place for human trafficking, so in the few cases where they're held as slaves, that's already covered.

2/19/2010 1:33:57 AM



I never understood this part of the American law. So, a person who is under 21 is too inmature to take alcohol, but not to have sex?. Moreover, he is matured enough to be "punished"?. Well, go explain us which money they can do in a program. And don't jump over conclusions, since the same arguments can be used IN JAIL.

2/19/2010 2:05:37 AM

Canadia

The only reason not to legalize prostitution is to keep starving pimps off the streets.

Please, America, think of the pimps.

2/19/2010 2:26:31 AM



Not decriminalising (although they really should for prostitution in general), Just saying that maybe helping the girls involved in this is better than sending them to prison, where likely their life will go a lot worse.

2/19/2010 2:49:33 AM

John_in_Oz

You lie.

(See what I did there?)

2/19/2010 3:18:33 AM

Ken

I know, aren't coed dorms just horrible? I've actually seen boys'... knees!

2/19/2010 3:31:06 AM

aaa

Yet another dipshit who i consider to be worthless.

2/19/2010 4:47:40 AM

Brain_In_A_Jar

It's not like anyone with a choice will work in a legal system that takes half of her/his earnings.

Unfortunately, you've just described the vast majority of the entire world capitalist economy. Pretty much every private capitalist employer does that (the fraction varies, but it's usually a big bite - companies with a greater ratio of labourers to owners can afford to take a smaller bite, because fewer passive owners of the means of production per worker are being supported by them) - it's called surplus extraction. The reason they get away with it is because its mechanism is hidden from the employees so they can't easily see the difference between how much value they've produced and how much they actually get to keep.

A prostitute who is given a handful of cash by her client and then has her pimp take half of it away from her can see pretty well how much she's being exploited; she's getting paid half of what she earns (for brevity, we'll leave out considerations of this original sum being worth less than the services exchanged, depending on the nature of the market). An assembly line worker cannot, by comparison, easily gauge how much of his employer's product's sale value he has actually produced, and is thus entitled to, against how much he is actually paid per day, because his wages are simply fixed by a standard contract when he is hired, with no actual reference to how much money the company is able to sell his product for. He's effectively told "do this much work per day and we'll pay you this much; do less and we'll fire you" - he has to take it on complete faith, if he wants to work and be paid at all, that the required work rate is actually equal in produced value to the monetary rate he agrees to be paid for it, which it by necessity never is outside of cooperative nonprofit organisations, because the company owners' need for profit requires that he, and the rest of their labour force, produce more value for the company than is given back to them in payment.

It becomes terribly clear when you apply a control-volume analysis to the situation; for any person to profit, i.e. to be paid more than the value they themselves produce, at least one other person producing that value must be underpaid.

2/19/2010 5:36:42 AM

CailinBan

I think all prostitution should be decriminalised, and if we as a society want to stamp it out, criminalise those who visit prostitutes.

(Not saying I think it's right to stamp it out. Not sure about that. If there was total guarantees of free choice I'd be all for it, but can those guarantees be possible)

2/19/2010 6:22:02 AM

Mister Spak

Can we get one of these diversionary programs for fundies?

2/19/2010 6:30:14 AM

Safaraz

I like how she managed to get some random homophobia in there for no reason. And also how she thinks the fact that "couples cohabit before marriage" is a terrible thing, other than a good way to cut down on the divorce rate, and don't get me started on the bit about co-ed dorm rooms xD

2/19/2010 6:55:14 AM

Elia

I thought you people were all for helping others! Getting the girls into therapy or even a shelter is a GOOD thing. Sticking them in prison is just putting them in a cage-match with abuse from inmates, and possibly death during a brawl they didn't start. How about giving them a chance to do something else with their lives?

2/19/2010 7:09:48 AM

TGRwulf

Colleges have coed dorms? Oh noes!

On a serious note, you may want to take your head out of your ass. Therapy would be to make sure that they aren't repeat offenders, unlike throwing them in jail for a few months.

Also, people like you who want abistince only sex ed and for young adults and teens to not know how to use contraceptions are the REASON why teen pregnancies and stds are "off the chart" as you call it.

2/19/2010 7:12:49 AM

John

The result of that [giving contraceptives to children] – teen pregnancy is common, almost half of all births are to unwed girls ...

Well, no. In Europe, where contraceptives are openly discussed with young people and are used more, the teen pregnancy rates are much lower. Giving kids contraceptives doesn't encourage them to have sex. They'll have sex whether they use contraceptives or not. So lack of contraceptives is a lousy deterrent. It just doesn't work. American kids don't have sex any less; they just use contraceptives less. As a result, they have more out-of-wedlock babies.

2/19/2010 9:00:23 AM

Churchy La Femme

Instead of arresting prostitutes, why not spend the time arresting johns? They're not innocent bystanders, Sue Ella. Or are you afraid your hubby or sons might be picked up in a sweep?

2/19/2010 9:08:46 AM
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