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WYSIWYG — What you see is what you get!!

The Biblical geocentric model of the universe is called WYSIWYG—what you see is what you get...True science is supposed to be based on observation. We see the array of stars wheeling around the earth approximately daily, and we motorize our telescopes to follow their steady motion. We see the sun rising and setting daily. We see the planets doing roughly the same thing, and we see the moon following them on a somewhat different schedule, all revolving around the earth as our eyes testify.

There is no justification at all from what we observe to arbitrarily assume the stars to be fixed and the earth rotating. The beauty of geocentricity is that what you see is what you get! It is a simple and readily understandable scenario for those who are willing to believe what their eyes tell them, and make the mental transition back to the instinctive reference frame of a stationary earth.

Reformation.org, Reformation.org 84 Comments [2/24/2010 4:45:43 AM]
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And yet we don't see God anywhere. Works both ways, asshole.

2/24/2010 4:49:29 AM


Bible literalists. It doesn't get any stupider than that.

2/24/2010 4:51:24 AM

Anna Ghislaine

So what would it look like if the Earth was revolving around the sun?

2/24/2010 5:00:04 AM


Dude. You are seriously the most retarded person alive. And who said the stars are immobile?

2/24/2010 5:01:54 AM


So why didn't you go further and claim the earth is flat?

2/24/2010 5:05:49 AM


We could try to explain about science and gravity and testable predictions, but what's the point?

"Polls conducted by Gallup in the 1990s has found that 16% of Germans, 18% of Americans and 19% of Britons hold that the Sun revolves around the Earth."

I feel terribly ashamed of 19% of my country.

2/24/2010 5:13:03 AM


Science doesn't work that way!

2/24/2010 5:15:01 AM



2/24/2010 5:29:14 AM


Your eyes can deceive you! Don't trust them!

2/24/2010 6:03:10 AM


There should be laws against displaying this level of stupidity on the Internet. I find it way more shocking and traumatizing that most forms of visual violence, and I certainly wouldn't want my children to have free, uncontrolled access to this kind of toxic bullshit.

2/24/2010 6:18:37 AM


So when you stand in front of a mirror there are two of you? Would each one of you then be twice as stupid or half as stupid?

2/24/2010 6:21:10 AM

Slave To Uni

I'm astounded someone this dumb knows how to use the internet...

2/24/2010 6:22:01 AM


I'm scared now..........

2/24/2010 6:26:51 AM

I'm struggling to think of something to say other than "damn, you are a stupid bastard".

2/24/2010 6:29:32 AM


No justification? What do you call the piles of evidence from telescopes, sattelites, space exploration, etc>

2/24/2010 6:34:04 AM


What you see is what you get!!

So when you take LSD and the walls look like they're breathing that means they really are breathing?

Is this thing actually pulsating?

Is there actually a human face on the Moon and on Mars? What you see is not always what you get, that's why we use other methods of observation besides visual. If we took your approach, we'd have to conclude that visible light is all there is on the EM scale. Luckily, science doesn't work that way and because of that we can use invisible things such as radio waves and micro waves.

2/24/2010 6:50:57 AM

TB Tabby

You don't see. You look, but you don't see. Obi-Wan Kenobi correctly pointed out that your eyes can deceive you. Optical illusions are proof of that. Assuming something to be true at first glance just because it looks to be true is just lazy.

2/24/2010 6:51:49 AM


"and make the mental transition back to the instinctive reference frame of a stationary earth."

Watch this video dumbass.

2/24/2010 6:52:55 AM


I understand your concern, but planet movement and Coriolis effect along with a few other physical and astronomical phenomena require some other explanation. Geocentric model only works if you willfully choose to ignore a whole lot of stuff, because although in the past people simply didn't know any of that, nowadays those phenomena are known and observable.

If you really want to go the whole nine yards, though, you should be right there with flat earthers. Now, that's what I call WYSIWYG WYSIWYTIRI (what you see is what you think it really is).

2/24/2010 7:00:12 AM


I see the problem. This person has not yet developed object permanence. For most people it happens around the age of 2.

2/24/2010 7:26:12 AM


This is really sad...

We've seen so much out there, and people like this are trying to deny it.

We've got a much better understanding of the Universe than we did 2000 years ago.

Go back to your dark ages, troglodyte.

2/24/2010 7:31:38 AM

Ok, what I see is what I get. I don't see United States or Arabia Saudi right now, so they musn't exist......................not really.

2/24/2010 7:34:31 AM


"WYSIWYG — What you see is what you get!!"

I know the Moon exists, because I can see it (& it's surface) clearly with the naked eye. Men have even walked there. Therefore it exists. I know Mars exists, because the roving probes Sojourner, Spirit & Opportunity are there and have sent back pictures & surface data. Which I've seen. Therefore Mars exists. I've seen photos of distant galaxies taken by the Hubble Space Telescope. Therefore they exist.

I can't see air, but I know it's there:

1- Scientific analysis apparatus can detect it's presence and it's exact composition.

2- And because I breathe air, I exist. Ergo, air exists. QED.

A rainbow doesn't physically exist, but I can see it.

I can't touch, hear or at least see God. Ergo, God doesn't exist. QED.

See? Your logic destroyed by your own logic.

I love the smell of destroyed arguments in the morning. Smells like... victory.

2/24/2010 8:17:12 AM

Mister Spak

You would be an eminent astrophysicist if you lived during the ice age.

2/24/2010 8:24:10 AM


Technically, this one is not a fundie. The point of view "Earth is immobile, everything else rotates" is just as valid as "Earth rotates" - it depends only on the system of coordinates we want to work with.

Granted, "Earth is immobile" requires a lot more calculations then "Earth rotates" - which is why the latter is used.

2/24/2010 8:32:02 AM

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