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WYSIWYG — What you see is what you get!!

The Biblical geocentric model of the universe is called WYSIWYG—what you see is what you get...True science is supposed to be based on observation. We see the array of stars wheeling around the earth approximately daily, and we motorize our telescopes to follow their steady motion. We see the sun rising and setting daily. We see the planets doing roughly the same thing, and we see the moon following them on a somewhat different schedule, all revolving around the earth as our eyes testify.

There is no justification at all from what we observe to arbitrarily assume the stars to be fixed and the earth rotating. The beauty of geocentricity is that what you see is what you get! It is a simple and readily understandable scenario for those who are willing to believe what their eyes tell them, and make the mental transition back to the instinctive reference frame of a stationary earth.

Reformation.org, Reformation.org 81 Comments [2/24/2010 4:45:43 AM]
Fundie Index: 112
Submitted By: Marc
WTF?! || meh

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We need to talk.
The you need to be burned at the stake.

2/24/2010 8:35:41 AM

lol Galileo

What's really frightening is the logical progression from this leads to "The old lady down the street cursed me and then I got shingles, so she's obviously a witch". I mean, that's the mentality we're dealing with here.

2/24/2010 8:39:25 AM


Oiy moron, I don't see a stationary earth. We've gone out far enough in space to see the earth moving for ourselves, you're dead wrong even with this WYSIWYG bullshit.

2/24/2010 8:43:36 AM

Sandwich Board

And yet the geocentric model doesn't match what is seen. That's why Copernicus ended up developing a heliocentric model. He went to great lengths to show how so much of the complicated behaviour of what goes on in the sky can be resolved if you just take on board the notion that you're the one that's moving.

Think about it: no matter where you go, there you are - so does that mean that you stay still and the rest of the world moves around you? Oh, wait. Did I say think?

"...and make the mental transition back to the instinctive reference frame of a stationary earth."
Brain shutting down in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

2/24/2010 8:46:18 AM

caustic gnostic

Wow. Smells like the Bronze Age here.

2/24/2010 9:04:20 AM

I Read About The Afterlife

Wait...Does this guy believe that everything revolves around the earth?

"The beauty of genocentricity is that what you see is what you get! It is a simple and readily understandable scenario for those who are willing to believe what their eyes tell them"

Something tells me you should not ever watch Criss Angel...

2/24/2010 9:28:03 AM


So, where are the four corners of the Earth? Is it France, Mongolia, India and Somalia? Those places were probably on the outskirts of the known World in 4000 BC.

I have no candy. Bill have candy. I hit Bill on the head and take candy. I have candy.
That is also a simple and readily understandable scenario.

2/24/2010 9:36:46 AM


We see the array of stars wheeling around the earth approximately daily

How about the DirecTV satellites? They don't wheel around. They hover in more or less one place. What's keeping them up there - really long poles?

Or maybe they're hanging from the "firmament" (snicker).

2/24/2010 9:47:00 AM


Then explain why certain constellations can only be seen at certain times of the year. The Orion constellation, for example. Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, can be seen clearly during the wintertime, not so much during the summer...if geocentricism was factual, would it not be seen constantly...?

2/24/2010 10:15:26 AM


So winter comes because?.....magic?

2/24/2010 10:19:32 AM


And, careful observation shows the heliocentric model to be correct. WYSIWYG indeed, but you have to observe carefully to know just what you are seeing.

2/24/2010 10:25:59 AM

Ummm...so when you're in a moving vehicle you're in one place and the world moves around you? Also, if we're going by just what we see, then why, there are no wars! In fact, I've never seen YOU so you must not exist.

2/24/2010 10:36:10 AM


reformation.org WTF is this shit?

Did we just go back to the early 1500's or what happened?

2/24/2010 10:37:34 AM


2/24/2010 10:56:37 AM


see epicycles (especially epicycles on epicycles)


2/24/2010 11:25:42 AM


@ Unbeliever

It's not just an ordinary difference in coordinate systems. The "Earth is stationary" coordinate system is not an inertial reference frame, and thus F=ma is no longer valid. You instead get F + (omega^2 r) + (omega cross omega cross r) = ma, where the two extra terms are the fictitious centripetal and Coriolis forces.

But you can certainly *do* this. Doesn't mean that "pin the coordinates to the Earth" means that the Earth doesn't move, though.

2/24/2010 11:38:06 AM


People who believe garbage like this should automatically lose their right to vote and procreate.

2/24/2010 11:57:43 AM

I'll say the earth is the center of the universe if you stop believing in a god you can't see. Deal?

2/24/2010 12:02:40 PM

Old Viking

I I once saw a man turn into a liquor store, and I'm still confused.

2/24/2010 12:29:28 PM


Except their motion ISN'T steady. Their motion changes CONSTANTLY. Geocentrism has been SOLIDLY disproved, because we've SENT PEOPLE TO THE FUCKING MOON, allowing us to examine the sun's actions relative to the Earth. Geocentrism is COMPLETELY WRONG.

The earth is rotating and moving through space, as is EVERY OTHER CELESTIAL BODY. Everything in the UNIVERSE is in constant motion.

"Make the mental transition back to the instinctive reference frame of a stationary earth"

Sorry, can't do it. I already took the red pill. You can stay in the matrix.

2/24/2010 12:34:36 PM

Concerned Brit

Whenever life gets you down, Mrs. Brown
And things seem hard or tough
And people are stupid, obnoxious or daft
And you feel that you've had quite enu-hu-hu-huuuuff

Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at 900 miles an hour
That's orbiting at 19 miles a second, so it's reckoned
A sun that is the source of all our power
The sun and you and me, and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at 40,000 miles an hour
Of the galaxy we call the Milky Way

Our galaxy itself contains 100 billion stars
It's 100,000 light-years side-to-side
It bulges in the middle, 16,000 light-years thick
But out by us it's just 3000 light-years wide
We're 30,000 light-years from galactic central point
We go round every 200 million years
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe

The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whiz
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light you know
Twelve million miles a minute and that's the fastest speed there is
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure
How amazingly unlikely is your birth
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space
Because there's bugger all down here on Earth

(Shamelessly ripped off from Monty Python, I thank you!)

2/24/2010 1:10:10 PM

A couple weeks ago, I went to a movie theater and saw Benicio Del Toro turn into a wolf-monster. That's what I saw, so it must be what I get. If that's what I get, I'm gonna make sure to stay away from Mr. Del Toro when he's in town!

2/24/2010 1:21:04 PM


Oh no! The common cold comes from school children! Kill them all!

The beauty of your argument is that you presented it without ever once taking your head out of your ass.

2/24/2010 2:05:21 PM

Pule Thamex

A perfect example of WYSIWYG in this quote. You see fantasy driven wishful thinking, inept reasoning, sheer lack of an education, delusion, all out laziness of thought, lack of basic research, slack-jawed gullibility and rampant stupidity and that's exactly what you get.

2/24/2010 2:10:58 PM

Doubting Thomas

You do realize that most of the stars which are light years from earth have to be orbiting the earth at faster than light speed?

2/24/2010 2:29:51 PM
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